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by CottonmouthKyle on September 13, 2004
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We have two pregnant canebreaks that will drop some babies soon. We are planning to get rid of one of the females and most of the babies. We will trade for other snakes or sale if possible. Email me for info!
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Anonymous post on September 13, 2004
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you should let them go if they are wild caught. Especially the babies because timber/canebrakes have a low birth rate (they only reproduce 3-4-times in there lives.) Please dont take these from an already declining population.
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by Phobos on September 13, 2004
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Kyle:
I agree with the anonymous post. Let them all go with the mother, back where you found them.
Al
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by AquaHerp on September 14, 2004
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Sadly, all studies indicate that released timbers, even at 24 hours old, weander aimlessly and survival rate is zilch. There are numerous theories for this, but the findings are pretty solid for horridus.
The key is to not be removing the reproductive adults from the population to begin with.
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by Phobos on September 14, 2004
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Doug ...
Very interesting. Maybe Kyle should return the gravid snakes to where he found them.
When I lived in Tucson the Fire Dept. would relocate captured rattlesnakes from home owners property on request to a local state park. A tracking study using these animals found that 50% of the relocated snakes died. The AZ dept of wildlife now forbid the Fire Dept. from removing these animals from the home owners land,thus, creating a 100% mortality rate. The home owners not wanting the rattler on their property kills the snake. AZ enviromental law is the worst I have ever seen.
Al
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by CottonmouthKyle on September 14, 2004
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Well over here where I live they are not declining at all! There are plenty, but I do think I will be letting these wonderful snakes go. I may keep 1 or 2 babies. People also kill these beautiful snakes on sight, so that was one reason I wanted to sale them or trade. All the land we find them on is hunting clubs and Swamp Road and the hunters consider the rattlers a threat to their dogs.
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Anonymous post on September 14, 2004
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theres no way of knowing if they are declining or not unless you do a scientific study. I know that you dont want to see these snakes suffer. I have released canebrakes and timbers back where I found them (even some that were pregnant) and then found them a few months later. Actually Im still waiting on a female timber to give birth, I released her about a month and a half ago where I caught her and she is doing very well.
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Here in NY
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by MattHarris on September 15, 2004
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you can often see 3-4 on any given day, the thing is that you usually see the same 3-4 on successive days. These are generally the few adults that are supporting the entire population.
Are you finding the same snakes? I would suggest that you take photos of the snakes you find, and see if in fact, you are finding new snakes or the same ones(kind of a "pseudo-scientific" study for curiousities sake.
Matt Harris.
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Anonymous post on September 15, 2004
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you say that people kill these snakes on sight, and hunters kill them, so obviosly they are declining. Do what you want, but Were just saying that its not a good idea. If you releases them theres a chance that they could survive, but if you trade them, they might as well be dead because they are no longer in the wild.
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