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by cottonmouth on December 18, 2004
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I was just curious; I have no entention on trying somthing like that, but I was reading where someone claims they crossed a hanna with a naja naja. I don't believe it's possible.
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by AquaHerp on December 18, 2004
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Just because I am in one of my moods....I have to ask.
Do some just go in to it that way, or to they get lost along the way, or what's the deal? But where does one finally reach the point in their herp fascination where they decide that the original animal "isn't good enough"?
I've been going strong for many years and have never lost my enthusiasm for these animals. The whole "morph" thing and inter-breeding thing is beyond me. Then again, I still I can work Komodo dragons one hour and still get a thrill from watching anoles battle for territory outside my window the next. I guess it comes from not thinking of these animals with little price tags stapled to thier heads. LOL....told ya I was in a mood.
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by ALA_herp31 on December 18, 2004
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Its beyond me why breeders persist on cross-breeding these beautiful and strange animals. I have always looked at this way, if we as keepers and breeders want to keep these reptiles we love, the least we could do is try to fight the urge to destory their natural variety. I'm sure you could inter-breed most Genra of Naja, but why destroy such diversaty. Just my thoughts on the subject.......Be safe ya'll, happy herping Wally
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by Chance on December 18, 2004
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I just thought I'd post to, seemingly as always, give the other side a chance to air some thoughts. I keep reticulated pythons of a couple of various morphs. I enjoy reptile morphs and even some hybrids/intergrades, within reason. Of course probably the main reason that people breed some of these insane ball python and retic python, etc morphs is for the monetary value they hold. I mean really, who wouldn't want a solid white ball python worth $100k sitting around in your snake room just waiting to make babies? lol But to get to a serious note, I firmly believe that morphs are a large part of what keep this hobby alive. Sure you and I can appreciate any natural herp for what it is: an animal evolved over the eons to live a very rugged existance with all the little goodies nature could provide to do so. However, to the layman pet herp keeper, he/she would rather have a "pretty" animal to keep. This is, of course, not aimed at venomous reptiles, but more for the average 'pet' reptiles on the market. How popular would beardeds, leos, and even corns be if they didn't have so many morphs to choose from? Heck, can you even GET a normal nonhet for SOMETHING cornsnake these days without yanking it out of the wild? My guess is no, that it is going to carry at least one atypical gene.
So, IMHO, hybrids do the same thing as morphs. Snakes like bateaters (burm x retic) and carpondros (carpet x gtp) are just flat out interesting to look at. Also, when you breed a set of animals like this, you really never know what the clutch will hold. Now with all that said, I certainly do not agree with people who breed rare, or endagered, herps to totally normal ones. An example of this would be the Angolan x ball hybrids. Few enough Angolans are bred in this country as it is, and their prices are already rediculous, so I personally see keepers having no good reason to breed them to something as common as a ball python. But of course, as the old cliche goes, it is a free country afterall. And while you, most of you anyway, still have the right or ability to keep venomous reptiles, contrary to popular opinion, then morph breeders and hybrid breeders have every right to breed what they wish. I think that as long as the animals are always labeled correct, as well as the above situation is avoided, then there is no problem with it. And of course these animals don't make it out into wild populations, so that concern should just be set aside.
One of the retic morphs I keep are the lavender albinos. I haven't talked to many (any) people who just plain don't like the way these snakes look. I think it would be a real shame to deny these people the right to keep and breed such gorgeous animals as these.
Disclaimer: All of the previous has been my oh-so-humble opinion on the morph/hybrid debate. As a card-carrying citizen of the United States, I have every right to express that opinion in a civil manner, and would appreciate any dissenting opinion to also use a civil manner :) Have a good day.
-Chance
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by AquaHerp on December 18, 2004
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well, I do have to admit that was the best argument I have heard (not that "argument is the best term)
But, like so many other issues it could be debated to death. But I'll stop there.
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by bush_viper17 on December 18, 2004
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I personally dont like all of the morphs and color phases. I like a snake that looks wild. But other people dont and it will always be that way. Some look at it like a hobby I guess. Others would never think about doing it. But I can see where someone would want a cane/diamondback, or an albino alligator or and melanistic gaboon.
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by CFoley on December 18, 2004
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Back to the original question...It is not possible for an O. hannah to be bred to a N. naja.
As far as morphs go, I don't mind them too much, they make our hobby thrive. That can go both ways though. It tends to attract the keepers that shouldn't be keeping reptiles...Also I personally wouldn't be too upset if the market wasn't as big as it is. I'd rather the general population be educated from a distance rather than bring a reptile into their home. Thats based solely on the amount of poor keepers and animals dying...
I do not support Hybrids at all...just the way I feel. There are enough morphs to get peoples eye, I like to keep genetic lines natural.
Chris
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Anonymous post on December 18, 2004
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Ophiophagus + Naja = Dinner time
I shun selective breeding efforts to produce hybrids. The affects on future generations are ruined forever. Doug is right. They are perfect as it is.
-The Phantom
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