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Anonymous post on March 15, 2005
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Rabies is correct. The King Brown snake with almost 1200 mg is the one. followed closely by kings, gaboons and Eastern Diamondbacks. Just out of curiosity Scenic, why were you extracting in the first place? Showing off? being cool or teaching little kids how to do it? You are about as professional as the rattlesnake rounduppers!
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by Rabies on March 16, 2005
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I have heard of 1200mg being extracted but I couldn't be sure which species. I've managed to find the following:- B. gabonica 400- 1000mg Broadly & Cock 1975
C. adamanteus 370-720mg US Dept Navy 1968
O. hannah 350-500mg Minton 1974
I'm sure the king has had a greater yield but I'm unable to find any ref for sure. As for P. australis I was only able to find ref for a max of 350mg but I'm sure there is also a record of more, as stated as above.
John
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by sceniccityreptiles on March 16, 2005
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I like what Rabies had to say. He was able to quickly back up his opinions with facts. I had not heard of over 1000mg being pulled from a Gaboon. That is very interesting. Anonymous, you have any facts on that 1200mg King Brown? Seems the facts Rabies has show the king to be behind the EDB, so I recon you need more research. I learned to extract venom because I wished to conduct research. I wanted to have a time frame for the detoxing of venom. For that, I needed to be able to have an exact time that venom was extracted and a certain LD 100. I set the LD 100 for venom fresh from the snake, then timed the venom at room temperature to see at what point it would no longer kill over 50% of the test group. For that I used copperheads. I extracted the eastern diamondbacks to provide venom to a research physician who was experimenting on the using of snake venom to treat HIV. I extracted the puff adder because I wanted to be able to view it thru a microscope and compare it to southern canebrake venom. Call it showing off if you like. I see it as research. I prefer to do my own, and thus KNOW the conclusion. If you lack the courage to simply post your name, then I doubt you have what it take to be on the forefront of anything like that. So you keep reading the books and hope what they are telling you is true.
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Anonymous post on March 16, 2005
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I think Chuck knows what he is doing. You dont get to be called a professor for nothing.
I think he is posting as anonymous because he has no experience and just relays what he has heard or read. Get your facts straight anonymous.
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Anonymous post on March 16, 2005
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King Brown Snake Psuedechis australis
Venom yield range 1015 to 1350 mg.
The Biology and Evolution of Australian Snakes by Allen Greer.
Try researching your facts since you think you are researching venoms.
Also, you never know what I know or my level of experience...
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by sceniccityreptiles on March 16, 2005
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Excuse me? Did I ever say the king brown didn’t produce that much? What I said was do you have facts on it. My point was that you were wrong on the king cobra having a higher yield then the EDB and the facts stated show you to be wrong. I don’t keep or study cobras or browns, so I have not mentioned anything about them. My statement was that I had not heard of any snake producing more then 700mg, now I have. I trust what Rabies says, you on the other hand, I have no faith in. I will need to see that book.
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Anonymous post on March 16, 2005
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I did not say that kings produce more than adamanteus, now did I. All I was doing was showing that you didn't know what you were talking about. My point was made very well.
You tried to say that YOU have not ever heard of those amounts...like that means squat. you admidtedly say you have no experience with King browns or cobras....So why is it they call you "professor"? I'm sure you have a B. S. Degree....and thats not Bacheleor of Science either. Learn the facts before spoutin your mouth.
You just have a hard time believing me because you don't like what I have to say. Get the book or any book, you might learn something! It is very apparent that you need to learn a few things! Also, your low low venom yields might have something to do with lack of knowing how to do it?
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by sceniccityreptiles on March 17, 2005
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Anonymous, debating you is sorta like shooting fish in a barrel, it’s so simple; there isn’t really much sport to it. Lets just look at your own words.
Anonymous post on March 15, 2005
“Rabies is correct. The King Brown snake with almost 1200 mg is the one. followed closely by kings, gaboons and Eastern Diamondbacks.”
Anonymous post on March 16, 2005
” I did not say that kings produce more than adamanteus, now did I.”
Clearly you state that the king brown was first and followed closely by kings. You listed the king first, because you were under the impression they had the second highest yield.
I did know what I was talking about, and none of your points are ever made very well. Most of the time, we can’t even discern your point. I don’t guess I blame you for posting anonymous, if I was as ignorant as you, I would not want my name associated with my opinions either.
Is admidtedly a word? I can’t find it in the dictionary. A what of science? I can’t find Bacheleor in the dictionary either. Did you maybe mean Bachelor? And yes, my degree is actually a Bachelor of Science. From the university of Tennessee. I licensed to teach in the states of TN, AL, and GA. I have lectured grade levels from 1st grade up to university. That is why they call me professor, it’s an earned title. Currently I am working on my PHD, so in time they will reframe from calling me professor, rather it will be doctor. I have a hard time believing you because you lack character. You only wish to demean people, you never offer any help to anyone. You are the type that would search a book title from the internet and claim to have read something in it. That is why I do not believe you. Has nothing to do with what I like. Why would I not like the venom yield of the king brown? It’s never done anything to me. Did I ever say I had low venom yields? I made the point that an EDB of the same length produced more then a puff adder? Seems I am getting large yields. And as for my abilities, I did not learn from stretching fangs over a Dixie cup. When I decided I wanted to learn this skill, I traveled 700 miles to south FL and learned from a master who was trained by none other then William E Haast.
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Anonymous post on March 17, 2005
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So in other words you have no idea what you are talking about?
"followed closely by Kings, gaboons etc. Your naivete is what formed your belief on the order. "Followed closely by", not listings in numerical order...pretty obvious.
Truly, you come unarmed to a battle of the wits....
to easy.....
It cracks me up that you keep attempting to prove your point.....
Honestly, I wouldn't want to be trained by anyone that learned from Haast...way to careless
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by bush_viper17 on March 17, 2005
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How dare you insult Haast. Obviously you have no respect for anyone in this community. Obviously, you cant contribute any knowledge to anyone.
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