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Coachwhip good "prep snake" for elapids?
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by Crotalus_Catcher on April 8, 2005
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I caught a 6 foot western coachwhip today, nasty little booger and I was wondering if the agility of these snakes is comparable to that of an elapid? I have yet to work with elapids and so I was wondering if this snake is similar or not? Thanks.
-Scott
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by Gentlemantw0 on April 8, 2005
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I'd love to say coachwhips are good trainers but it seems like every coach I find is docile and calm. I found 2 6'+ yesterday, and neither attempted to bite. IMO I would say a freshly wild caught racer would be best.-Cole
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by Crotalus_Catcher on April 8, 2005
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You're lucky, I've never heard of a docile coachwhip! This guy has been NOTHING but trouble since I got him. Most snakes I catch calm down when they're in the pillowcase or box, but not this guy, he was hissing and striking through the bag the whole time. Oh well, we'll see if I can hit a year without getting tagged.
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by Chance on April 8, 2005
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I'd say they're probably pretty decent training snakes for mambas, taipans, and maybe brownsnakes (though I've never personally worked with them, just going on hearsay), but not for Naja or other cobra-like elapids. I believe the best snakes to train for cobras would be cribos; big, nasty, w.c. cribos. They are, after all, "honorary cobras" according to Dr. Wolfgang Wuster ;) I have a male unicolor, and I tell you, it's spooky how similar his morphology is to the Naja I used to keep. Racers and coachwhips are great to train your reflexes, but I've found very few elapids I've worked with to actually be as challenging to handle as a fiesty coach!!
-Chance
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by agkistrodude on April 9, 2005
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I'd say that if there is such a thing as a non-venomous trainer, a coachwhip would be a good bet.I catch them all the time just to see if I can without getting tagged.Never seen a docile one, and alot of them always seem to go for the face! I catch alot of black racers that would probably work too. I suppose it helps to work with something fast and agile and mean,but when you hook that first elapid,your in a whole new ballgame.Write down every time that coachwhip nails you and figure each time would be thousands dollars and/or death if it was the real deal,and try to find someone who knows elapids before you get your first one! Have fun, Marty
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by rthom on April 9, 2005
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Have a e.coach and a w.coach ,both were a real handful at first but have settled down.The biggest pain in the ...NECK is a Southern Black Racer . Runny flightly bitey you name it. His energy is explosive!
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by pitbulllady on April 9, 2005
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I've never worked with Elapids personally, though I've been in close proximity while someone else was. I DO, however, keep Coachwhips, as they are probably my favorite snakes. My experiences with them seem to be polar opposites of what I see written about them. I have only been bitten ONCE, and that was by a huge eight-foot male whose captor had placed in a bag with a big Eastern Chain King! I reached in and got nailed; the poor Coachwhip probably thought he was going to be Kingsnake chow any moment! I have found that the Coachwhips I've had calm down as quickly as Corns do, though they are more alert and inquisitive. I have an adult pair of WC Easterns now, as well as a juvie Eastern, and I can pick all three up and free-handle with ease. I can reach in and stroke the adults on their heads, and they simply do not mind. I have CB Corns who think anything that comes into their cages is FOOD, and will most certainly nail you if you do that!
Now, Racers are a different story-while I can free-handle most of them, I have to be VERY still, as the least movement will provoke a bite or violent thrashing, musking, and "death-rolling". I have only seen ONE Black Racer in my entire lifetime which was calm and easy to handle, in contrast to the Coachwhips.
pitbulllady
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by agkistrodude on April 9, 2005
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I don't keep them around long enough for them to tame down, after all, here in Georgia, that would be illegal. Have fun, Marty
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by elapidking81 on April 10, 2005
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Im on bob's side a black racer is one of the fastest and most aggressive snake i've personaly ever delt with excluding the (forest cobra in my profile WOW!!!)but I love to catch racers they still get my blood pumping just cause there so agile and aggressive I have worked with alot of elapids and have found like chance said there like most elapid excluding cobras there a whole nothere world of there own :-)
shane kissinger
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