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by timberrattlesnake89 on July 6, 2005
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I just gave you the reason for why he freehandles. Also he is really is not my friend he is a real dick. He was one of the guys that went on the trip down to south FL with Chuck Hurd back in Janurary. I am sorry that you are so pissy over this suject. It is not my fault that he freehandles. He has been doing it most of his life and that is his business. Hey if he dies it is just natural selection not idiocy.
Phillip
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by Dadee on July 6, 2005
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All, this isn't an easy subject for anyone to cope with. If the guy isn't displaying the animal in the palm of his hand like Steve Irwin...maybe it's time I went and had my eyes checked. I've read the bible my friend and see no correlation to this discussion. Was he in church? Apparently this was some other location, so the need to "take up serpents" really doesn't apply here.
I've done my best to sit back on many occasions, but when something so blatant pops up, I imagine if I didn't say it, someone else probably would have. Karl, like it or not, does have everyone’s best interests at heart. Let’s show a little bit of respect and not beat up the ref.
Tom, see my last statement above.
Shane, I started this thread with one intent in mind. A rather large puff being displayed on a guys' arm.
Jeremy, what other ways would be unsafe in handling venomous? Just out of curiosity here, cause in my mind, if I held my marshmallow with my hand near a fire, chances are I’m going to get burned. If I were to simply put the marshmallow on a stick, then over the fire…have my chances of getting burned been reduced?
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Matt
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by formosa77 on July 6, 2005
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Jeremy the image you see on my profile is me holding a Western Diamond Back Rattlesnake, but not squeezing the rattlesnake, just supporting it. If you don't like how I am holding the snake to support it, then you must have gotten most of your training from Phillip. I mean, on one hand, he's making a hangman's noose from a N. kaouthia, and almost getting a nice bite for his trouble.
Later (or should I say G'day!?)
Alex
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by timberrattlesnake89 on July 6, 2005
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Oh Alex,
What is your reason for pinning the snake in the first place. That should be a last resort. Besides their is no reason to unless it is for venom extraction or medical emergency. I really doubt that their was any reason and you just wanted to show it off. Besides a lot of the time when you pin them down they will stop eating after the pin. I have never pinned a venomous snake down yet. Since it have never had a reason too. I have heard several stories from friends who have pinned the snake down and later it died. Beside that is one of the easily ways to get bitten. Oh well I will stick to my way and you can still to your way. I guess you don't know Australian slang that well because G'day mean hello not goodbye.
Phillip
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by formosa77 on July 6, 2005
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Actually, you forgot one other time in which pinning a snake could be justified. And that's when one (My Teacher) is instructing his student (Me). You can't learn to pin unless you pin. In my case, I learned the technique in my third week of training. A strong, long term captive snake was selected. The picture was taken three years ago, and that snake is still alive and thriving now.
I have never pinned a snake in such a way that it has gone off its food, nor have I ever killed or injured a snake by pinning it.
I guess your record is as good as mine, afterall 0 successes out of 0 attempts could still, in some circles, be considered 100%. I've graduated from my teacher's curriculum, but am no less a student in this field for all of that.
I do know about Aussie slang. But what I DID not know is that you were Australian. Your articles of Irwinite clothing alone, while a strong hint, were ultimately not convincing.
Alex
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by timberrattlesnake89 on July 6, 2005
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Just give me about 10 or so years and yes I will be australian. I am planning to move there right after my masters degree in Zoology. Then I can really be considered austrailian. ALso I love whatI wear. It is very comfortable to me. It has omni-dry which drys ten times quicker than normal cloths. Also it is a lot lighter than normal close. So to me it is pefect when I go herping which is at least once a week.
Phillip
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by ALA_herp31 on July 6, 2005
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Phillip, when you test natures ways just the way Steve Irwin dose, something will eventually happen. If you put yourself in a position that offers the Snake a way and place to bite, yes sooner or later you will get bit. Now let me be clear here, I like what Irwin dose to Educate people about Reptiles, but I think it a little risky to put himself in such a dangerous position. Like I say in my profile, there is no need to put your hands on a Venomous Snake, with all the Tools we have at our disposal today. I see no need to even Tail a Venomous Snake. I for one use Tongs & Hooks with any Venomous Snake I encounter. I also hear some Keepers talking about Tailing a Snake after it gets to heavy, well, I have no need to do it this way. My way of solving this problem is to use 2 Hooks. So you see, there is truly no need to lay hands on a Venomous Snake, unless you have to Medicate the Animal. Then you can use a Restraining Tube “in most cases” unless it has to do with the Animals mouth. I believe that Keeping Venomous Snakes, could and can be very safe, if people would just use their heads a little more.....................Be safe ya’ll, happy herping Wally
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by bush_viper17 on July 7, 2005
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People take classes on handling now? What ever happened to going out into the woods and learning on your own? Thats what I did. I caught my first venomous snake by myself when I was 8 years old. When I was 12 I found my first canebrake rattlesnake(5'3"). I had no training at all with rattlesnakes but I picked it up by the tail and picked up a stick laying beside me and attempted to put it in a 10 gallon bucket. I was born handling snakes this way basically. Its like second nature. I am pretty sure I want get bitten either. I dont freehandle any more though. The last thing I did that would have been considered freehandling was I held a 2 foot W.C northern copperhead in my mouth. No joke.But you know what they say..."Every good boy deserves fudge" and "Dont let the bed bugs bite!!"
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