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by formosa77 on July 7, 2005
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The "classes" were very informal. I was interested in getting into venomous snakes a few years back and I found someone who was willing to train me with what he knew. It's always advisable for a novice to seek out a more experienced, reputable handler for training. When I read about the stunts you said you pulled between age 12 and the present, my belief in guided training was only reinforced.
Jeremy, your skills do you credit. I will grant you that. I, too, have skills that blossomed quickly and naturally as soon as I was exposed to these animals. The experienced teacher who guided me assured that they also blossomed safely.
Alex
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by bush_viper17 on July 7, 2005
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Yeah, its always best to learn safely. Knowing the correct techniques will come in handy someday. Learning all of the procedures from a skilled professional will not only help keep you safe, but keep the animal safe as well.
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by formosa77 on July 7, 2005
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I am just displaying the rattlesnake for private documentation purposes. I know that it seems to appear in this picture that I'm holding the rattlesnake in a rough manner, however this is not the case. The time this picture was taken I was still in training. This was the first time I pinned a rattlesnake.
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Anonymous post on July 7, 2005
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Now Al, we all know this would be considered child abuse if you made Phillip look more like a dork than he already is.
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by fizzbob7 on July 7, 2005
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i like tailing a snake with a hook to support it's body.......i handle mine only when necessary, or when i wanna play with them (kidding) but when you have to move a larger snake that just does not like hooks, then if you don't secure it some way it will surely hurt itself if it falls enough times and that won't help it's temper any....i try to avoid discomfort for my snake, and most don't like their tails being grabbed at first, but that's a safe way to protect the snake, protect me and not have to squeeze it with those tongs....i personally don't own any tongs and don't want to......
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Anonymous post on July 7, 2005
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Personally, I love the tube socks. Gives you character Al.
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by ALA_herp31 on July 7, 2005
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Tailing a Snake is like asking for the bite, in my opinion. I have had to many close calls by Tailing in the past. One example of this was with a 3ft. (A. c. contortrix), I had kept Her for almost 2 years. I noticed that picking Her up with one Hook was putting a lot of strain on Her mid-body. Well, I decided to start using the Tailing methods on Her. The first few times I used this method everything seemed to work out fine. Well, finally the day came that scared the crap out of me, she slung Her head off the Hook and came within 2 in. of my hand. I learnt that day that taking chances with even the most mild of Venomous Snakes, can and will put you in the grave. This is why I always use 2 Hooks, it keeps a good Comfort Zone between me and my Snakes. Now, as for the Tong thing. Yes I use M1 Tongs, from Midwest, I also add more padding to the mouth to make it safer on the Snake. Believe me, I would do nothing in this world to hurt my Babies. I do consider this Animals to be my Treasures and I would take all precautions to Keep them safe....................Be safe ya’ll, happy herping Wally
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Anonymous post on July 7, 2005
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Tongs are only useful for picking up tortoise poo.
Tailing when done properly is the safest way for the handler and snake to be worked.
The guy with the puff was not doing it for religious purposes at the time of the photo.
Ask him why the snake hook was there. Wait, I'll tell you, because he used it to take the snake out of the cage with it. If he tried to "take up serpents" from the cage without the hook, he would be bitten each and every time. Also, he is holding (supporting) the snake from the underside. Much like the ground would hold it, or a log or a rock..Also, the snakes head is up to the wall which alleviates the defensive response tremendously. Ever watch the crocodile tormentor, (whom hast to be the worst reptile handler ever to work professionally with reptiles) when he tails the snakes with out a stick or branch. The head is always on the ground. If he picks it up from the ground as soon as it squirrels around he sets it's head back to the ground. He also never restrains the snake. This is all snake psychology, how can you people think this is some sort of magical understanding of the snakes "at one with the snakes" and I do happen to know that mr. croc tormentor has been bitten by venomous snakes.
And how can you think the guy is "taking up serpents"? get rid of the snake hook and pick it up out of the cage the way "god" intended it...
amazing how many experts there are in this field, especially the ones that are teens. wow, the natural skills you kids must have...I think everyone here is really impressed!!!
Karl,
I think I would stay out to sea if I were you! I'd hate to have your job on this site....
It's funny how all the 'real' professionals have left this site because of all the innate teen experts and such.
Doug Hotle said it best as Al has reprinted....
Al, Can I get a pair of them tube socks please?
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