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RE: beginner elapids?
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by AquaHerp on June 13, 2006
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I wasn't turning this into an argument in any way, shape, or form. Nor was I talking "down" to anyone. And, do I think a red spitter is a better hot snake then an inland taipan? Why? On what basis? Again if it falls under the "I'd rather get nailed by a...." reasoning, than it's the wrong angle you're going about it.
Choose the first elapid based upon the specie’s tractability and your skill level, not its venom yield. The idea is to not get bit, period. The idea is to build your skills. Now I am certainly not advocating a taipan over a shield-nosed here, but I am hoping the idea is coming across. Do I say go out and get a green mamba as a beginner snake?... no, just hang on a sec here...
Let me see if I can put it into another perspective.....
If I were training someone on rattlesnakes, or someone asked what rattlesnake to get for a starter..a timber or a prairie. I know for a fact (been there done that) that a timber is going to potentially do far more damage to him than that prairie will. However, that timber is going to ride the hook fairly well after a short while. The prairie on the other hand is notorious for being an explosive little monster that won't ride a hook for crap and is going to give this guy a heart attack every time he goes to clean the enclosure. So, venom yield or not, which do I recommend? Or do I just say, well, the viridis most likely won't kill you so go ahead with that one?
Am I making any sense here or just rambling aimlessly? The crux of what I am trying to say here, and not at all being condescending to anyone at all, is that never simply base a decision on venom yields especially with a "it aint gonna kill me" attitude as that already may be setting one up for a serious consequence. If a snake is "hot", that is; venomous enough to cause serious injury to you in any fashion, then consider it "hot" across the board period and treat them all equally and move on from there. As for what to look at from "starters", look at your set up, your style of handling, equipment available, what you like, and narrow it down from there.
So, is Naja pallida a good "starter" elapid Doug, one might ask? With a proper face shield, extra hooks, and a little patience, yes, yes they are. As good as some others if that's what you like. Still a dangerous snake indeed, but not a bad elapid to begin with. I am hoping that I explained myself a little better here. Long winded but laid out.
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by D-back on June 13, 2006
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Understood aquaherp. And your right, I probably won't go with the green mamba, lol. I am very confident in my handling skills and I think I will probably go with an aspidelaps sp. Thanks for yur input.
Frank
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by Phobos on June 14, 2006
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Hi:
I have N.palida. No fun with these beasties. Absolutely NOT a beginner Elapid. I'm not sure there is a good "beginner Elapid" Find a mentor and work with them for 6 months, then revisit this question.
Al
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