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by TheFifthDay on July 21, 2009
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I am interested in hearing what you guys have to say on this subject.
I am interested in knowing what you guys like, as far as safety and workability of venomous snake caging goes.
I personally like lidded tubs in rack systems.
Thanks in advance for your answers,
Jon Short
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by Cro on July 21, 2009
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Jon,
I do not like lidded tubs in racks all that much.
If someone is a breeder who houses a lot of snakes, then perhaps a rack system makes sense, however, they require a lot more handling to take the tube in and out of the rack and you are also exposed to danger every time you take the lid off, or, put the lid back on to a tub.
Not to mention that you really can not see the snakes very when they are in tubs. What is the point of keeping a snake that you can not see ?
For a average venomous reptile keeper, something like the Neodesha Plastics cages, or, homemade locking wooden cages work extremely well. They let you observe the snake, which is what it is all about anyway.
And even for a venomous snake breeder, there is a lot to be said for Neodesha cages on shelves, or on roll carts. Those can easily be serviced from the front, they are easily locked, easily moved for cleaning, etc.
Also, I do not like stacking caging at all. Far better to have a larger snake room, than a bunch of stacked cages.
But, that is just me. Other folks will probable have different ideas of what work best for them.
Best Regards
John Z
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by KingCobraFan on July 21, 2009
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Like John Z, I prefer front-opening Neodeshas. You can open one side of the cage, hook your snake, then stand slightly aside of the opening as you take the snake out, while being able to avoid a directly-in-front-of you strike should the snake be of a mind to. My two cents.
Bill Huseth
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by Kingetula on July 21, 2009
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With HOT's, front opening slidding glass cages.
I thought racks would be easy but never went that way. They just didn't seem like a smart move with HOTS. This past week I caught the episode of, "1000 ways to die" on TV where this guy had what looked like a rubbermaid container and as he put the cobra back in and tried to put the top on the Cobra was able to strike out and bite the guy in the belly. It didn't look like a rack setup but same thing once you pull the container out. (Set it down and take the top off) Sure this setup is used all the time and on that I'm sure someone has been bit with the type of cages I like so to each his own I guess, what do you feel comfortable working with and you should probably go with that.
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by LarryDFishel on July 21, 2009
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As others said, a room full of neodeshas in racks would be ideal if you have the space and the money.
I REALLY don't like rack systems without lids. Too risky moving the tubs in and out (you may be able to do it with a hook depending on the tubs).
I use a lot of tubs, but I use the lids and stack them a few high on multiple shelves. I also set up the lids as shown at the top of this page:
http://www.madprogrammer.com/snakes/handling/
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by AquaHerp on July 21, 2009
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I use Neodesha for all of mine (around 500). I can keep them singly or pair them up in the larger units for breeding. They are tight enough for the vipers to give birth and keep the little squigglers confined.
Easy to clean and very functional.
DH
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by agkistrodude on July 21, 2009
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I'll put in a slightly different opinion, I don't like sliding glass fronts. Way too many times, I've came close to getting nailed because something fell in the track and jammed the glass open. Then you have the fun task of unjamming it with a hot snake way too close for comfort. The following paragraph by Peter Jenkins from his story on this site titled "I should be dead", shows I'm not the only one that has had this happen.
"by Peter84Jenkins on November 22, 2007
"I was actually getting ready to pack her up and take her back to the den. The doors to her enclosure jammed…wouldn’t open more than four inches because cypress mulch got jammed in the track. I got complacent and thought the litter guard plus her distance from my hand would allow me to safely pick the offending mulch from the track. I was wrong! A vary dumb thing to do." Of course if you use newspaper for substrate, this may not be an issue. But I don't. And I've also had many snakes crap right in the track. I prefer swing to the side doors. Either left or right swing, doesn't matter. You can open it a half inch, 2 inches,6, 8, all the way, whatever. And the door can act as a shield, when reaching in with tongs for the water bowl, or throwing in a rat.Your hands never need to be anywhere near the open door, as it swings easily open or closed with a hook.This is just my preference,Use what you feel the most comfortable with. Take care, Marty
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by Cro on July 21, 2009
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That is why that Neodsha cages have "litter dams" that prevent cage substrate from falling into the tracks of sliding glass doors.
You can build them into home made cages also.
Folks with home made cages, that do not use litter dams, can run into stuff jamming the tracks. I have seen the cages you mentioned Marty, and the cage substrate comes right out to the edge, which is not very safe.
It does not have to be that way though.
Best Regards
John Z
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by najasuphan on July 21, 2009
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I used to only use top opening cages but a few years ago I went with cages with sliding glass fronts. I have grown to like these style cages whether they're Vision, Neodesha, home-made, or whatever. Right now I'm using a couple of Vision cages and some that I built my self, and I really prefer my own cages over the Visions. Vision has the notorious lip that hasn't really been a problem for me but I have seen snakes in friends' collections hide up there pretty well. As it has been stated before, the lips above and below the glass can be remedied. Of course every cage design is going to have some sort deficiency to someone but I'd say use what you are comfortable working with, as long as it is secure. I keep elapids mainly and it is a lot easier for me to deal with a hyper cobra in a sliding glass fronted cage than try and deal with them in a cage with hinged doors. I do use newspaper as substrate in all of my cages so having stuff getting caught in the tracks never really happens.
As far as using a rack with tubs, I'm not too fond of that. I like for my snakes to have plenty of room to move around in their cages. I don't like to cram them into some opaque, little box just so I can keep them. My solution to making sure I can have large enough caging for all of my snakes is to not get too many. I like to be able to see my snakes when I walk into my snake room. I personally would rather have 10-20 snakes set up with adequate space than having 50 in little shoe boxes in a rack where I can't even see them. As far as safety is concerned with the Rubbermaid containers, that video of David Weathers getting bit in the stomach is good enough to illustrate that it can be tricky getting the snake back into the container. I'd say unless you are using deep plastic containers you'll probably run into the problem of having the snake dart out when you try to put them back in. Many years ago I kept a copperhead in a plastic container and I always had a tough time getting the snake back in because she always just flew right back out before I could get the lid on, not to mention your hand is dangerously close while you are trying to secure the lid.
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