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by timberrattlesnake89 on January 4, 2004
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Maybe it was dangerous but he has work with those crocodile all his life he knows what he is doing.
I think that most people are jealous of his success. He has save hundreds if not thousands of crocodile in North Queensland, Australia All his life he has worked with dangerous animals. By the way win he put the baby down and in the water the crocodile had it back turn and going back into the water. Also he when venomous snakes can calm it down. He tries not to put stress on the animal. He never pins the head down because that can hurt the snake. I think that it is wrong to criticize him. And any one saying he is not talented is a bloody idiot. He has open millions if not billions of people’s eyes on the beauty of are reptiles. He may have made a mistake but who has not. He loves his family and would not harm them in anyway possible. He wants to teach them the passion for wildlife that his father taught him at a young age. Most people I know who own venomous snakes do not have any degree in knowledge of herpetology like he does. He is very successful and that is why many people hate him because they spend all their life and never be very successful. He is my idol, icon, and hero I love him very much and think he is amazing.
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by Snakeman1982 on January 4, 2004
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Well this has certainly started a lot of controversy.
First I'll start off by saying that I think that what Steve Irwin did was wrong and he should not have put his child in danger. Should he be charged with child endangerment? Maybe, I would probably have to say yes if I were on the jury. Even though it was in a very “controlled” environment things still go wrong very easily and having started wrestling alligators at the age of 16 I know that enclosures like that are no place for a child. Even with no apparent immediate danger there is still a lot of potential danger with any animal in a situation like that. I have seen too many people make mistakes and they got bit quickly. I was probably more concerned however, with the babies head not being supported. One month old children do not have the muscular development and strength to hold their heads up like that and him holding the child that way was probably a bigger danger than the show was.
Do I think that his children should be taken away from him or that he should have supervised visitation? Absolutely not, the man is an excellent father and they are his life. I believe he loves his family and does the best job he can for them. He made a mistake and I am sure he will look back on this and realize that what he did was wrong. The child was too young to know what was going on so it had no benefit to it and if he would have had an accident it could have been traumatic. But parents do this all the time when they don't buckle up their children when they are only going to the grocery store or something like that. They think they are in control but it only takes a single mistake (or an uncontrolled event) to screw up and for something bad to happen to their child.
I tend to stand up for Steve Irwin a lot. He risks his life, he does outlandish stunts, and I think that is totally acceptable. If he wants to risk his life and limb to help people understand what reptiles and amphibians are all about then I am all for it as long as he has two things in mind. First, and most important, that he doesn't blame the animal when he makes a mistake and gets hurt. And second that he doesn't endanger the people he has around him. He did endanger that child and even though it is safe to do that 99% of the time, it only takes a 1% chance to have the worst accident possible.
Now for my defense of Steve’s character:
I caught my first rattlesnake in the 7th or 8th grade up in Idaho and started working with alligators in the Everglades at 16 and that didn't have jack to do with Steve Irwin or anyone else on tv because he wasn't even famous back then. People are going to do what they want to do, this includes children. I had never heard of Steve Irwin until after I turned 17 and when I did first see his show I thought it was great and will still continue to watch it but it has never “made” me (or anyone else) do anything I wouldn’t do normally. People are responsible for what they do and if some one or some child goes out and tries to tackle a crocodile or handle a venomous snake then that is up to them and nothing should be put on Steve. Blaming things like that on Steve is just as stupid as that idiot kid who blamed Beavis and Butthead when his trailer house caught on fire after doing some stunt, or something like that, I forgot the details. People are idiots and you just have to accept that they are going to do idiotic things. Why don't you tell a cop when you get pulled over that you were trying to be like an actor from “Fast and the Furious”. Blame it on them and try to get out of a ten over speeding ticket. He'll laugh at you and then give you a ticket. Or try to steal a car and then tell the judge you wanted to be like Nicholas Cage in “Gone in Sixty Seconds”. A person is responsible for themselves and I have yet to hear about any kid getting tagged by a venomous snake because he wanted to “be like Steve”. So until the subject comes up, be quiet about it. And then after it comes up, tell the kid to be more careful next time and show him how to do it right instead of criticizing someone else who wasn’t there.
For all of you people like "stopgetinpopped" who don't know jack *&@# about Steve and want to bring him down because you are jealous of his success and have nothing better in your lives, grow up. You freakin anonymous people piss me off. You rag on someone who is famous because it is easy to see their mistakes yet you are too afraid to even say what you believe in a freakin’ forum read by maybe a hundred people. If you are going to have a voice, don't hide behind some mask like those fagot KKK boys. State what you mean and stand behind your words by explaining them and accept the tribulations they come with. I have been part of this forums for atleast three years and I have yet to post anonymous because if I want to state my opinion then I can state it without giving a crap what anyone else thinks about me as a person. Steve Irwin is not God and he makes mistakes but so does everyone else, yours just aren't on camera in front of millions of people. Do you honestly think you could do better with your life if you were him? Do you honestly think you are doing better being you?
Imagine what it must be like to have your own show and try to please everyone like Corwin, O'Shea, Irwin, etc... have to do. The pressure must be tremendous, especially when you deal with animals. There are things I don’t like about Steve’s show but I look at the big picture which is something all you jealous people missed.
Any of you that think you are better than he is, you crack me up. (This next statement applies to most of the people on here, which may include me). The man has a zoo with animals that you will never get to see. He has been in places you can’t even dream about and caught herps you'll never get to touch. He is an incredible success story and spends his money on what he cares about. He has done a lot for conservation (certainly more than anyone else). The man doesn’t go around spending all his money on jewelry, fancy cars, or even big houses with expensive luxuries like most people with money do. Rarely do you even see him change his wardrobe let alone waste money on other things like all the other celebrities. I think he is a great role model. What if he were to go out and sleep with a bunch of other women or just sell his zoo and move to L.A. and live the high life like everyone else wants to do? He has enough money to support himself, his family, his zoo, and do whatever else he wants regardless of what other people think of him. Do you really think he gives a crap about whether you like him or not. Of course not, however, he does care what you think about conservation which many of you are lacking considerably.
I might not enjoy the staged events or the propped animals claimed to be wild that are occasionally on his show (same with some of Corwin’s) but that happens less often than people are claiming on this forum. I have heard from everyone that he keeps animals in the cooler, I certainly don't agree with doing that, but yet I haven't seen any proof of him doing that either. But how can you criticize that when it seems atleast half of you people keep wild caught snakes!!! And for what benefit of the snake!!! How much are you really doing to spread your message? I have caught more rattlesnakes that didn't strike or even rattle at me yet I have never put any animal in a cooler. Do you think he puts his crocs in a cooler? There are often times he says wrong information on his show and that might make me upset but I don’t go off ranting and raving to everyone out of jealousy. If you want to improve what Steve Irwin does then make your own show and try to sell it. Or contact him through his website. Of course you might be too late for that since I am sure it will be full with other complainers now.
Bottom line I think people need to wake up and stop whining stuff Steve does. If you think that his image is hurting your precious herpetoculture stuff and you want people to know what the “herp community” is all about. Then get off your butt and show them what you are all about. Frankly, I don’t see how his “ZOO” has anything to do with the “herp community” but that’s just me. His way of handling venomous snakes has yet to make anyone talk down to me for what I do. Or have someone say, “Yeah, I don’t like the way you snake catchers always handle snakes, I saw that crocodile hunter guy handle snakes and I think you shouldn’t do it because of the way he does it.” When people do attack herpetoculture, it isn’t because of anything Steve Irwin is doing. The two aren’t very associable.
And until you start discovering new species and have a herpetologist like Dr. Harold G. Cogger describe it after you like Irwin’s Turtle (Elseya irwini) stop thinking you are better at herpetology than him.
Robert C. Jadin (<- notice not anonymous)
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by stopgetinpopped on January 5, 2004
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Wow from everything you said, you must know him personally? No, than don't brag him up if I can't slam him down!
When you grow up a little and learn a few things you will see.
Steve excites only children and Rookies. He is an actor. I'm sorry that you ideolize him so much, I don't mean to offend you personally.
I know that when I found out Hulk Hogan was a fake I was upset too!
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by Richie on January 5, 2004
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Hello Stopgetinpopped!
Your comments are a classic example of ignorance, disrespect and jelousy for one of the best and most successfull Herpetologists the world has seen!
All Steve Irwin and his family have ever tried to do, is to show the public how beautiful and amazing reptiles are and how important reptiles are to the ecology of the world. They are enthusiastic and passionate about the animals they love and care for. And they simply try to demonstrate this to the public, to boost their awareness and respect for these animals. Steve Irwin, Terri Irwin, and Australia Zoo have influenced more people, about reptiles, in a positive way, than anyone else, ever!! Embarassing to the profession? I think not.
As I said in my last post, Steve Irwin has a UNIQUE way of dealing with dangerous reptiles (not using hooks, grabsticks etc). NOT wrong way!!! Just HIS way!!! And his way works for him, which is all that matters. Just because YOU wouldn't handle venomous snakes the way he does (not saying that I do either), and just because you don't like the way he does things, is NO reason to insult, disrespect and slander his approach or methods.
Mark O' Shea uses more conventional methods (hooks, grabsticks etc), which is his way and his way works for him and he is a fantastic Herpetologist, just like Steve Irwin! They're just different people with different approaches - that's all.
Just remember - Steve Irwin has NEVER had a proper bite from a venomous snake! And before you say it, IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE'S LUCKY!! Sure he's had close calls with snakes, crocs, Casowaries etc but this fact is the mark of someone who is very skilled and experienced.
What Steve Irwin did with 4 week old Bob, was a mistake. We all make mistakes, after all we're only human! The "incident" didn't do any of us any favours, but we'll get through it!!
Thanks for reading
Viperman, UK
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by stopgetinpopped on January 5, 2004
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One of the most successfull herpetologists, income wise yes. One of the best, not even in the same league!
If all he is doing is educating the public, than why does he or his wife state that "Steve is the only one in the whole world that can do this" What about the tens of thousands of people all over the world that do everything he does every day of their lives. With far less than 4 envenomations that he says he never got. Steve is nothing new to this world, Acting has been around for centuries. Animal handling has been done far longer than that. The fact is if all of the "fans" take the emotion out of it all, they would listen to other people who know as much and far more than he ever will about reptiles. And listen......
A wise man once said......"It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts"
So don't take this personally, Everyone acts as though their mother was just insulted. If he is in the public spotlight, than the thousands of us that have worked with the same animals and have seen it done professionally should be allowed to say that he is not that good at it. And people should listen and at least contemplate the possibility that others might know a little more about some things.
But when you are up against a Fan Club, who really cares? I don't.
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by Fabian on January 5, 2004
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I think that Steve should be able to get on with his life, if only the public would let him. The more I see, and hear about this the more I think he sould be left alone. We all have done things that put people in danger. Like anyone here ever drove drunk ? If so you are just as bad. Steve has done more for herps. than most of us ever could in our life times. I say leave Steve alone. He will not be doing things like that again.
Fabian
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by Rabies on January 6, 2004
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At the end of the day it appears that steve has made a mistake.As long as HE realises that,then he'll also learn from that.And thats all that matters.Humans make mistakes,the intelligent ones will learn from them.
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John
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