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Following N. oxiana and N. philippinensis are N. melanoleuca at 0.225 mg/kg SC and then N. samarensis at 0.23 mg/kg. The water cobras (N. annulata and N. christyi also have very toxic venoms, but no SC values are listed. Only intraperitoneal (IP) values of 0.143 mg/kg for N. annulata and 0.12 mg/kg for N. christyi. IP values tend to be generally lower (more toxic than subcutaneous values, so it would be unfair to compare their IP results to the subcutaneous (SC) results of other Naja species. Then I have heard that (without solid evidence) that Naja nivea is the most venomous, although their murine SC LD50 range anywhere from 0.4 mg/kg (Toxicon, Vol. 5, issue 1, page 47, 1967) to 0.72 mg/kg (Australian venoms and toxins Databse).
So which is the most venomous? To me it seems obvious that it is the Caspian or Oxus cobra (Naja oxiana), followed by the Philippine cobra (Naja philippinensis). What do you think or know?
I've noticed that the Australian venom and toxin Database seems to have higher LD50 values for all snakes across the board. For example, for the black mamba IP value of 0.01 mg/kg is listed (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/004101018890219X) and Ernst and Zug et al 1996, list a SC value of 0.05 mg/kg for the black mamba. While the Australian venom and toxin Database listed much less toxic LD50's. So there seems to be a lot of variation.
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What influences your attendance to a reptile show or event?
**This is your chance to share your ideas, comments, and concerns on how to make the show/event more enjoyable and appealing to your patronage.**
Posted: Aug 30, 2006
(129 votes, 17 comments)
by RepFan
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The location.
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40% (52)
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Admission price.
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1% (1)
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Scheduled time. (For example if the area is saturated with multiple and frequent shows.)
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0% (0)
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If venomous is allowed.
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41% (53)
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By who is promoting the show, or by what speakers, vendors, or societies are scheduled to be in attendance.
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9% (12)
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If it is an established show/event or a first time show.
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1% (1)
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Past experiences or reviews from others on past shows.
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8% (10)
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I think it's a mix of the above stated.
Location menas a lot. Does some of my international contacts come, do some of my friends, how long would it take me to get there.
now i Live in europa, so i dont visit the american shows. But the Hamm show is worth a visit (except for all the high-end morphs) with lots of dealer from all over the world. Also snakeday in the Netherlands is definately a good place to go ;)
Posted by
Jakob
on March 3, 2007
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Venomous
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My Criteria
Location
Price
And Most importantly Are Venomous Allowed?
Living in S.E Virginia we don't get many if any local reptile shows and when we do their pretty dry..
I love going to shows and checking out all the animals there.. But I mainly work with Hots and currently the only show worth attanding thats remotly close is the Hamburg show.
Posted by
BuzzzWorm
on February 6, 2007
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Venomous
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My Criteria
Location
Price
And Most importantly Are Venomous Allowed?
Living in S.E Virginia we don't get many if any local reptile shows and when we do their pretty dry..
I love going to shows and checking out all the animals there.. But I mainly work with Hots and currently the only show worth attanding thats remotly close is the Hamburg show.
Posted by
BuzzzWorm
on February 6, 2007
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People make the show!
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The Boss and I take all of these factors into account when we plan our show attendance schedule.
We don't tend to travel too far for shows so location is a big factor.
Price tends to not be a big issue. If admission prices start going up that may change.
Too many shows = we skip some. Plain and simple, you can't make them all.
I prefer venomous shows but we go to Daytona every year and never been to Hamburg (see travel comment).
Promoters? No issues. Vendors? Some preferences but not overriding. Herp societies? If we are there, SHHS is attending ;-)
We attended the first ever Daytona hot show so established or not doesn't really matter.
The biggest draw for us is the other nonvendors attending. We go to meet and hang out with people we know or have met online. Just ask any SHHS members who have attended Columbia Shows or even some of the Daytona Shows. The social interaction makes the show.
Karl & The Boss
Posted by
Buzztail1
on September 18, 2006
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Venomous
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I appreciate all kinds of reptiles.....however, to get me to a show there has to be lots of venomous snakes there. I almost exclusively keep venomous snakes and I don't have much time to waste....Speakers who work with venomous snakes will also draw me in......as will lots of top notch venders
Posted by
Crotalus75
on September 10, 2006
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Venomous is what attracts me...
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There is a monthly show about 45 min. from me, but I have never been, no hots. I do admire the beauty of colubrids, just don`t care to keep them. I have been to the Greenville SC show the past 2 years. The 2004 show was great, last year sucked. I am going to the Columbia show this year with high hopes. About the designer balls and colubrids, I never even stop and look at them, just not my cup of tea. I actually like the normal colors the best.
Mike aka Vampire
Posted by
vampire
on September 9, 2006
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Show preferences
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When deciding whether or not to attend a show I use most of the criteria listed on the survey. Is it a venomous show, size and location of the show, price, and number of vendors.
I do travel out of state (Georgia) to attend some shows. Even if I purchase nothing it has always been valuable to talk to experts in the field. THE ONE THING I CAN NOT STAND IS HAVING TO PAY FOR PARKING AND ADMISSION.
Posted by
Ptk
on September 7, 2006
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Its a real hassle
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Living in SE Virginia, and driving 6.5 hours to Hamburg, looking around for an hour, HOPING to find something, but not always, and then coming back home potentially empty handed makes for a really miserable day. Anything within 4 hours would be a much more tolerable and worthwhile experience.
Posted by
guttersnacks
on September 5, 2006
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I like the wierd stuff
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When I went to Daytona for the 2006 show I looked past the 50,000 ball pythons to find a pair of Elaphe moellendorffi!
Don't know what those are? Don't feel bad because half of the friends I showed said the same thing. Red Headed Ratsnakes, unusual uncommon ratsnakes. Thats what does it for me. No albinos, het for pastel, piebald or whatever else. Normal phase. Oh and alot of them are just as much as the ball pythons. It's nothing to spend $1000.00 for a coxi or a porphyracea. And you won't find those on every table either.
If the show has hots, unbeatable. Nothing like buying rattlesnakes and uncommon ratsnakes at the same show. I wish there were more venomous shows in the southeast. PA is too far for me to drive from Fla. And South Carolina's attendance at the shows is getting weak.
Paul
Posted by
SimplySnakes
on September 4, 2006
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Distance
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As much as I'd love to go to Daytona every year for all the new stuff, or up to Hamburg for the hots, it is truely cost prohibitive to travel to the best shows. I simply go to the ones I can drive to and back in a day, if its really special, get a hotel in town. Fortunatly, there are enough decent shows in Texas that I can drive there and home in one day.
Posted by
Sal
on September 4, 2006
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shows
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Amen to the Ball comments. I just got back from our local show in Raleigh. I went specifically for GraY Band Kings. I seen 3 breeders, one had 3 babies, the others two had 4 babies and 4 adults between them. I was definately let down. There were Balls everywhere. I would just like to see more variety at non-Hot shows. But my friend did get a white lipped python to die for.There were only 2 under the roof. Very nice looking animals
Posted by
ssshane
on September 4, 2006
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location & venomous
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The nearest show from my location is 4 hrs that have venomous.
Posted by
TQuinn
on September 3, 2006
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lack of hot shows is killing me!
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i cant believe there are so many shows
that dont allow hots! i used to go to my
local shows almost every time they were
held, but now i havent been to one in
almost a year because none of my local
shows allow hots. its really frustrating
because i hate to drive somewhere 30+
mins away to see AT BEST a large
constrictor here and there . id go all the
time if there were any good hot shows
near me but there arent, so i dont even
bother to go anymore.
Posted by
Venomjunkie
on August 31, 2006
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they are fun but....
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i have seen all that i can when it comes to reptile expo's
including the $100,000 python at daytona, it's hard for me
to get a ride to and fro so I stay local when it comes to
shows.
Posted by
thenovice
on August 31, 2006
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Shows
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Yeah the 100's balls are boring after awhile. but it is also interesting to see all the breeding projects. I just love to be surprised with a species that i havent seen.
Posted by
SnakeYa
on August 31, 2006
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true
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Amen to that ball pythons in just about every morph imaginable get pretty boring pretty quickly and since i live in il we dont have very many reptile shows exept the narbc show comin up in tinly which im gonna go to but other than that were sol.
Posted by
vanerka
on August 31, 2006
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I know I'm in the minority but...
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I've only been to 3 or 4 reptile show and to tell you the truth, I get bored very quickly. I can only look at so many $10,000.00 designer ball pythons before I lose interest. I feel it's more about making money than it is education and I find I have little desire to patronize such events. This, in no way, is meant as a criticism of those who do; it’s just not for me.
toddg
Posted by
toddg
on August 31, 2006
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