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FREEDOM!
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ABSOLUTE ANARCHIST, THANK YOU!!
As Abbie Hoffmann used to say, "I believe in the right to yell "theatre" in a crowded fire", [only I'd yell "SNAKE!!". LOL].
Which is what societies like ours are creating worldwide, global warming by overpopulation to eventually fry us all!!
Anarchy; let the waters of life, and peoples, find its own levels without the artificial dam[n]s of laws that only serve the rich man. DIG?
[Hey...you asked...]
LOL
Posted by
Voided37
on August 18, 2007
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Interesting results
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I won't say much about this, only that it confirms what I was thinking.
Posted by
Chris_Harper
on July 4, 2007
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Again I apologize for going agro, I mean no disrespect to you sawscale or Chris. I am very patriotic (though not in the military) and Love my country very much. Again, I appreciate your views and did not mean to go on a rant. again apologies all around guys,
Jared
Good luck with those sand snappers :-)
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jared
on June 17, 2007
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Topic
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Well I can certainly say, we all have an opinion on this matter. I agree with Chris that it is interesting to see the political breakdown. It is interesting that people who may be worlds apart politically can unite and be such an unbiased wealth of knowledge and skill in such a potentially dangerous hobby. My hat is off to us all. I'll bet Chris expected this. If you didn't you should've. Empassioned people tend to have empassioned beliefs. Jared I meant you no disrespect. I was simply stating my view. Well, I'm off in search of a Persian Sand viper today. wish me luck.
Posted by
sawscalemedic
on June 16, 2007
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Good Survey
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This survey caught my eye and I normally do not pay much attention to them. I have read what people have posted and I don't mind people who bad mouth the military actions of our country. Mostly, these people are ignorant to the actual facts and tend to watch and listen to the liberal media like CNN ( I like to call the communist news network). Jared, I looked at your profile and you were only 11 years old when Desert Storm took place. Our job was to get Iraq out of Kuwait. We did it. Six weeks of bombing and four days of ground combat. We defeated the their best...they ran back to Iraq with their tails tucked between their legs. The present conflict...the same...we went in, kicked butt, and accomplished our mission. When the politicians got involved, the liberal actors of Hollywood, and all the anti-war people, we started to slip in the security and rebuilding of Iraq. Now the ignorant want to say that we are failing. I really get a kick out of the idiots who say "I support the troops, but not the war". That's like saying I support snake handlers, but not herpetology. Give me a break. I'll get off my soap box for now and I do appologize for getting somewhat political. For those of you who are fighting in Iraq, and those of you who have a loved one there, I salute you. You will be in my prayers.
As always...if you enjoy your freedom, thank a veteran.
Posted by
scalesandshells
on June 16, 2007
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I think this topic is very applicable. Why isn't it? It's just "how does the venomous comm. vote"? That's all. It's not "why democrats are right", or "why republicans are right". JUST - HOW DO YOU VOTE - that's all. Don't make more out of it than it is.
CH
Posted by
Chris_Harper
on June 16, 2007
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Its that exact mentality "work to insure them" implying that only the military works for freedom, again bs. Lots of nonmilitary americans fight for freedom everyday(Eistiens theorys led to americas victory in WWII and he was german right?) and without the NONmilitary americans we wouldnt have alot of AMERICANS in this country Correct?. And a history lesson, Didnt hilter come to power through threats of terrorism and illegal immigrants (any parrallels?)so didnt he initiate attackin neighboring countries. I would appreciate a clearer history lesson as I am confused but what that meant. Again, the BASIS for every post (IS THIS A TOPIC THat should be on a herp forum?). And I dont think I contradicted myself at all, my move on I meant that, move on to the next post, I gave my opinion and many others as well and if you implyin censorship of free speach I believe I stated earlier that I believe in %100 free speach, but whats next asking what each herpers individual feelings on abortion are? How does this pertain to the site other than as I stated it would to cause flames. and Provide freedom? I didnt wanna do this but, did Iraqis invade attack or anything else to the US other than make GB senior look bad first go round ( same reason CUBA to this day is blackballed Bay of Pigs)??? I dont recall them doing anything other than what many of the regimes we have supported in the past and took down have done (contras etc.) And yes Chris your right parties are generalized, again PART of the problem. Your no longer voting for individual ideas and views in this country your voting for which corporations puppet will best satisfy the masses best, they find the median . No strong wills,points of view, No FDR, no real candidates anymore, and that was what I was pointing out from my initial post. Individuality is the foundation of this country, and sawscale dont let that military stuff go to your head (theres lots of non military people working FOR the US), you dont need to be trained by the US to be and effective warrior or assassin (heck speaking of contract killers blackwater is right down the road) just look at the afganis and iraqs, outgunned outnumbered,and yet again, no mission accomplished and last I checked retreat counts as a loss Which no matter how you dont wanna hear it thats what it is(at least in any fight Ive been in). Again, I new this was an offtopic contriversal post from day one. N for the record I AM FROM A MILITARY Family, my Grandfathers boat was torpedoed in the pacific for which he recieved his purple heart, my uncles, tours in nam, one of which special forces. Im just sayin, I dont by what there sellin, no matter how they dress it up.
Jared
PS PLEASE CAN WE GET A NEW TOPIC?
Posted by
jared
on June 16, 2007
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Jared's comment on 14 Jn 07
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Jared, I couldn't help but respond to your comments. You perhaps should look back at HOW Hitler, Stalin, Kahn and Nero came to such absolute power. I'm not going to give a history lesson here. I'll use your words my friend, Research, research research. Then, at the end of your spiel, you contradict yourself. You state that you believe in free speech and expect comments but to save them, and move on? MMMM. I wonder who understands freedoms more? People who work to ensure them, or someone who, while enjoying them "circle talks" and contradicts themselves. You want to see some Iraqi tanks my friend? Maybe see what it takes to provide freedom? Come on over here to Iraq. I'll save you a cot in my tent. (From another true southern boy.)
Posted by
sawscalemedic
on June 15, 2007
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Incorrect.
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I think you are wrong. Generalities are very predictable within the party system, and for some people, a single issue may determine how they vote. For instance, I think I can say with fair certainty that I will not run across a Democratic candidate that will be Pro-gun, anti-abortion, pro-Iraq war, anti-illegal immigrant, anti-welfare, anti-affirmative action etc. - because those are issues that define that party.
And likewise, it will be impossible to find a Republican that is staunchly pro-conservation, anti-gun, pro-life, anti-war, and pro-illegal immigrant. If he/she was, they'd have to switch parties.
For some people, that's all they want to know - how do you feel about ___________. I know one individual that said that if it wasn't for his position on gun ownership, he would have voted for Al Gore for Pres. He said that he agreed w/ Gore on ALL other issues. If you are pro-gun, then you tend to vote Republican. If you are Pro-Life, you tend to vote Democrat. Most people know what "their" issue is, and usually it takes precedent over all other issues. I asked someone what they thought about the Iraq war a couple of weeks ago, and was shocked to hear, "As long as it doesn't interfere with my fishing, I don't care what they do."
Wow.
I'd venture to say that if Democrats were anti-rattlesnake roundup, MOST people on this site would vote Democrat. That's just the way it is.
Posted by
Chris_Harper
on June 15, 2007
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I initially agree with Johns first post, questions of this nature inherently will spark debate. And I apologize for not being clear, I am not just basing Republicans or democrats libertarians or whatever. Just stating my opinion (as was asked) regarding party preferences, again, vote for the canidate not there corporate backers, Again, questions of this nature are bound to start a firestorm. Just a thought,
Jared
Posted by
jared
on June 15, 2007
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Some clarity
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I thought that we weren't going to turn this into a political debate? This is not a platform to bash any party, political affiliation or ideology.
Chris Harper
Posted by
Chris_Harper
on June 14, 2007
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Though you all would like to be republicans I guess, (which again, would you follow the Nazis, just on the BASIS THEYR my Party?) Bcause ALOT of germans did, ask um how that worked for um (and Yes I have met several german survivors). To think that your country wont betray its people regardless of party is simply ignorance (hilter in germany, stalin, ghengis khan, Nero etc etc) and to think just because your american is yet again ignorance that it cant happen to you. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Ps, it appears to me most are not republicans (heck I dont know anyone I hunt with that claims that) most, are varied as per the pole results have demonstrated 57% something other than republican. Just like america. Furthermore the unamerican rhetoric (if your not a party your....) is crap, yet again, research people research. If you think you can trust your govenrment not to take your freedoms, ask any american indian how they feel about it (since as of last census figures less than 1% of the entire population is native american). Unlike LOTS of people in this country, since were here, I am 100% full blooded southern AMerican, I will fight and die for it (and you dont have to be military to do so)( I wish I could see Iraqi tanks roll down the block, u think they could even get over the queens bridge before firebombed and blown up, I doubt it). I new this was a risky survey, but this is america, and I believe in 100% free speach. I expect some comments, save um and move on, NEXT!
Jared
"it takes a patriot to defend his country
against his government" Patrick Henry
"any country which chooses to give up freedoms for a little extra security will have neither" Benjamin Franklin
Posted by
jared
on June 14, 2007
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Doesn't matter
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Your rights are being stripped every day. No matter who you vote for . Does anyone belong to an H.O.A. ? Has anyone had the police sent to their house for their children playing outside ? If not, give it time, you will .
Posted by
xvenomx
on June 12, 2007
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Interesting Survey
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I'm a Republican. I'm former military. I was medically discharged after Desert Storm. I know several ex-military personnel who own venomous. Every person has a right to his/her opinions and beliefs. If you really appreciate the freedoms you have, thank a veteran. Support our troops.
Posted by
scalesandshells
on June 11, 2007
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Write on Buzztail1
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How many venomous herp enthusiasts are or have been in rhe military, is a good question. I smell a good survay in that.
I stroungly urge members not to comment on political belefs, or even comment on political comments made thus far. It will only devide us. WE CAN NOT AFFORD TO BE DEVIDED. If we are devided, we may lose every thing we hold dear.
We must stand united
Coyog
Posted by
COYOG
on June 9, 2007
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LIBERTARIAN
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The only party truly interested in personal freedom (the right do things even if others don't like it) is the libertarian party. If you are not voting libertarian, you are voting against your own best interest.
I vote libertarian in every election I can. I will vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.
Posted by
EK
on June 8, 2007
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If you want to get technical about it, the Libertarian party is really the party of the individual in the purest sense. As much as I hate to say it, there is very little difference in the long run between voting Democrat or voting Republican, but it's that slight difference to which I hold for my own sanity. I'm a Democrat because I strongly believe in civil rights and that the rights of the minority are as important (note: NOT more important) than the rights of the majority. However, if it weren't for the fact that the Green Party never has snowball's chance in hell of actually winning anything and instead only detracts from votes from other left-sided parties, I would vote that way every time.
Since at the current time, the US's political system is a two-party system, there are basically only two valid choices. So for now, I'm going to vote for the one that is closer, though not exact by any means, to my beliefs. Politicians from both parties are just as easily influenced by lobbyist groups as each other. You can't say one party is that much different from the other when you look at them as a whole. Yes, there are candidates in each party that are to the extremes, but they aren't the averages.
Here's where my biggest beef comes in: You also can't say that it's only one party (namely Democrats) that fights against keepers of exotic animals. All you have to do to prove this to yourself is look at Texas. Unless I'm mistaken, Mr. Hilderbran and basically the entire state of TX are Republicans. Look at some of the other more restrictive states - like GA and TN. These are heavily Republican-controlled states. So obviously it's not just us 'lefties' that are ruining the hobby.
And therein lies the problem, IMHO. We're so quick to put blame on others for our own problems. We can point to groups like PeTA and HSUS and say they're the enemy, but are they truly? They are just doing what people pay them to do. It is the keeper who takes his venomoid cobra into a shopping mall to scare folks that hurts our hobby. It's the keeper who accidentally looses his snake in a full apartment building, thus necessitating an evacuation, lots of malcontent, and lots of media coverage, that hurts our hobby. It's the mother who buys an arboreal viper for her 16 or 17 year old son who promptly turns around and is bitten by the snake that hurts our hobby. It's not one side of the political spectrum or the other, it's us. Plain and simple.
Posted by
Chance
on June 7, 2007
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Politics
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While this is not a "traditional" subject for this site, it seems useful to me, since a lot of what the site promotes is lobbying against excessively restrictive venomous laws. Those who do not recognize that politics is part of life are doomed to be steamrolled by those who do.
Per the comment about "damned Republicans" being "morons," well, that's really elevating the discourse there . . . such ad hominem attacks reveal more about the source than the target, and simply prove a lack of thought.
It does not surprise me that a lot of venomous keepers are Republicans, since the hobby is a highly individualistic one, and the GOP is traditionally the party of the individual.
Posted by
MikeB
on June 7, 2007
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Hi HollowWatcher. The only way to keep the snake from eating the fish in your koi pond is to catch it and release it somewhere a couple of miles away. Perhaps you can use a long handled dip net and scoop it up and dump it into a tall trash can and put the lid on, and then take the snake somewhere to release it. Many states have reptile relocators who might catch the snake for you, but you will need to put a name and email address and location in your profile so folks can contact you. The frogs and fish in your pond will be an ongoing problem though, because other snakes will probably find the pond eventually. If you have more questions, please post them in the "Ask The Experts Section" of the site.
Best Regards JohnZ
Posted by
Cro
on June 6, 2007
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uninvited guest
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I have a snake that has moved into my koi pond & has eaten the 4-5 bullfrogs who lived there. I'm sure he's now munching on the smaller goldfish that I've seen in there too. How can I pursuade him to beat it without killing him?-
Posted by
HollowWatcher1
on June 5, 2007
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In response to Jared's statement...
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In a perfect world filled with perfect people, it would be possible to vote in a non-partisan fashion for those who espoused the principles, goals and aspirations which you agree with. However, in this not-so-perfect world filled with not-so-perfect people, it is unrealistic to expect that a political candidate will live up to their campaign trail hyperbole. History is replete with living examples of this blatant use of political marketing and double entendre.
Additionally, the fact is that our government operates with a bipartisan system and it appears that the chasm which separates the parties is growing at an alarming rate. As a result of this fissure, I believe that a single person is relatively impotent and that it is the party in power that determines not only our personal fate but also the fate of the country.
Personally, I believe that, despite all of the imperfections of our system of governance, we live in the greatest country in the history of planet Earth. As such, I must vote for a belief system, one that is based upon the tenets of our founding forefathers and committed in writing to the most profound document ever created to guide, organize and nurture a country of the magnitude of the United States...The Constitution of the United States of America.
It is precisely this reliance upon Constitutional dogma that I vote for the Republican Party, a party that is committed to conservative doctrines while maintaining the power and the glory of these great United States of America.
Posted by
FlaSnakeHunter
on June 4, 2007
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I agree with Buzztail
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I was in the military and just as Buzztail said we vote for our paychecks.
Posted by
Peter84Jenkins
on June 3, 2007
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Scary stuff, minefield questions
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as I assumed, most the herpers I know dont side with a "party" which seems assinine to me since its like pickin your football team based on the color of there jerseys. I vote, EVERYTIME, and I vote for who best represents my opinions, not based on the color of the jersey.
Jared
Posted by
jared
on June 3, 2007
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politics
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I don't really support the government either way so I voted other but if I had to choose, i would vote for whom ever I like regardless of party. I don't see why party matters anyways, if i had to choose either right wing or left wing, I am a radical.
this is a slippery slope and taboo to discus political views so I will not continue in my beliefs because I can guarantee I will anger someone.
Posted by
snakeguy101
on June 2, 2007
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Political Debate?
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This is not a political "debate" at all. I just had a feeling that venomous keepers were largely Republican and I wanted to see if that was true. This stemmed from a discussion that I had recently with a few different folks, who are also interested in the outcome of this survey. I think this has more to do with personality type than anything else. I would also bet that more venomous keepers are also gun rights people (as am I).
At the end of this survey, I will post the rest of my theory and tell you whether or not I was right.
Todd,
The reason that I even started this survey was because the survey section said "Survey is being edited" for 2 days. So I went to check out what was up and just added this one since it was a topic of discussion for myself and a couple of friends.
Posted by
Chris_Harper
on June 2, 2007
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An extrapolation:
I wonder how many venomous herp enthusiasts are or have been military folks.
A vast majority of military folks vote for their paychecks (Republican).
This really should not become a "My party is better than your party because ..." thread.
The country did not get into the shape it is in through the actions of just one party.
Karl
Posted by
Buzztail1
on June 2, 2007
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Survey
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Greg's point is valid, that the data "might" be used to influence a poletition, however, I bet folks will not be able to resist turning it into a bashing contest.
Best Regards JohnZ
Posted by
Cro
on June 2, 2007
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Survey
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When I first saw the question about political demographics, I questioned it because it was not reptile related, and I knew that it would become a bashing contest between the various groups.
I wonder how long it will be allowed to run until it is taken down because of all the fighting it will cause ?
Should be interesting to watch.
I agree with Doug that talking about poletical stuff is a no-win situation, and I try to stay out of conversations about the topic of poletics.
And Todd, you are right, it does not seem to be very reptile related, does it ?
Best Regards JohnZ
Posted by
Cro
on June 2, 2007
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I can see where that info might be valuable as a tool for talking to politicians. If an overwhelming percentage of hot keepers are of a certain party or persuasion, mentioning that to a governor or representative might help gain his ear.
~~Greg~~
Posted by
GREGLONGHURST
on June 2, 2007
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Confused...
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Hello Group,
I am confused and baffled as to the survey question. You see, I did not post it so it must have been another manager; which is odd since I am the Survey Manager.
Just wanted to clarify this for any wondering why I would post this question or how it pertains to snakes ( which I am wondering myself), but needless to say it has got alot of responses since it's actavation.
~ Todd Poole(RepFan) S.H.H.S. Reviews, Survey, and Strays Manager
Posted by
RepFan
on June 2, 2007
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damn republicans...
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I have to say I'm puzzled at the overwhelming support by venomous keepers/ reptile enthusiasts for the party whose policies are most damaging to the environment and favor massive, unrestricted development, threatening the habitats and very existence of our most beloved creatures. I'm sure W. and his ilk don't give a damn about any kind of snake, and he probably whacks any one he sees on his ranch. Not that I'm by any stretch a liberal-type democrat either... that's the party of animal rights activists who would like to control our right to keep and study captive reptiles. Just put me down as an "Old South" Democrat who values above all his right to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness," and happiness to me is being around snakes as much as possible. Snake wrangling is a fine old Southern tradition. Even Ditmars was a Southerner: though he was born "up there" his father John marched in the Stonewall Brigade and named his son Raymond LEE Ditmars after his most-revered general. After the way the Republicans have messed up this country, and world, I don't see how anyone can claim allegiance to them without being a self-proclaimed moron.
Posted by
FSB
on June 2, 2007
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Looks like alot of republicans own venomous snakes. :)
Paul Moody
Posted by
SimplySnakes
on June 2, 2007
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Hmmmmmmm.....
I have one hard and fast rule. I never, ever discuss three things; religion, politics and reality television. It just leads to one enormous headache and everyone has their staunch opinion that they aren’t going to budge an inch on and scream in your face about, so why even entertain it?
But...Cryptozoology? Now there's a subject I'll gladly grab a drink and gather round the campfire for!
DH
Posted by
AquaHerp
on June 2, 2007
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Conspiracy Theories
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Well, I do love a good Conspiracy Theory !
And as far as JFK, well it was LBJ and the Cubans and the Mafia all in cahoots.
And we neved did land a man on the moon. The Russians did, and he is still up there dead from radiation from passing through the van allen radiation belt, as are all the monkeys and dogs we sent up, LOL.
Now, the statistics about the false reporting of snake bites, I do find very interesting and of value, as I munch my Doritos, and watch Opra, LOL !
So, is anyone up for a good discussion on Cryptozoology? I saw a Skunk Ape once, in Monroe County, GA. Really, I did..........
Best Regards JohnZ
Posted by
Cro
on June 1, 2007
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Touchy subject?
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To answer one of your questions right up front, "it" isn't going to be used for anything. And on top of that, no one's name is tied to their vote.
The "we" is "some" of the people that I converse with by phone within the venomous community. You'd probably know them if I called their names.
Could this data be used for anything? I haven't considered that aspect of it personally. The truth is, that "we" are curious by nature. If "we" weren't, we would probably just eat Doritos and sit on the sofa watching "The Price is Right" all the time.
I have a Q: Why isn't knowing the general political demographic of the venomous community an interesting piece of information? Any information that you can quantify is valuable. For instance, the percentage of keepers who falsely report the nature of their envenomations has been relayed to 3 different Poison Control directors in the US. That's useful data.
There's a lot of trivial info that eventually turns out to be a useful information. That's what research is all about. We have always shown an interest in the demographic of the ven.comm. Look at the other survey questions. Also, when we used to accept memberships, I was the one who recorded that info. I can tell you A LOT about the demographic, but nothing about the political trends. I have a theory about it though, and I just want to see if it's correct.
You can lay the conspiracy theories to rest. It's just a question. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the JFK assasination.
CH
Posted by
Chris_Harper
on June 1, 2007
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Demographics
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"we are interested in the political demographic of our site visitors"
Why ?
What's it gonna be used for?
WHO is this "we" ?
Is the next question gonna be "what religion do folks believe or not believe in" ?
Or "should Harry Potter books be allowed in the schools" ?
Perhaps it is just because we need a new Survey, and nothing reptile related came to mind. But......
I smell something fishy here.
Best Regards JohnZ
Posted by
Cro
on June 1, 2007
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