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Survey Question	Current Survey Question Should hobbyists ever free handle venomous reptiles with their hands? Recent Surveys Most venomous/toxic Naja species in the world? I have read that the Philippine cobra is the most venomous (mice, 0.2 mg/kg SC with the lowest reported value being 0.14 mg/kg SC) (Brown, 1973). I have recently, come across something in the Indian Journal of Experimental Biology (Vol. 30, (issue 12), pages: 1158-1162, 1992) which stated that the LD50 for Naja oxiana was the most toxic/venomous (mice, 0.18 mg/kg SC and lowest reported value was 0.10 mg/kg). Along with that, the mortality rate for untreated Naja oxiana bites are the highest among all Naja species (70-80%). N.oxiana also produced the lowest known lethal dose (LCLo) of 0.005 mg/kg, the lowest among all cobra species ever recorded, derived from an individual case of poisoning by intracerebroventricular injection. Following N. oxiana and N. philippinensis are N. melanoleuca at 0.225 mg/kg SC and then N. samarensis at 0.23 mg/kg. The water cobras (N. annulata and N. christyi also have very toxic venoms, but no SC values are listed. Only intraperitoneal (IP) values of 0.143 mg/kg for N. annulata and 0.12 mg/kg for N. christyi. IP values tend to be generally lower (more toxic than subcutaneous values, so it would be unfair to compare their IP results to the subcutaneous (SC) results of other Naja species. Then I have heard that (without solid evidence) that Naja nivea is the most venomous, although their murine SC LD50 range anywhere from 0.4 mg/kg (Toxicon, Vol. 5, issue 1, page 47, 1967) to 0.72 mg/kg (Australian venoms and toxins Databse). So which is the most venomous? To me it seems obvious that it is the Caspian or Oxus cobra (Naja oxiana), followed by the Philippine cobra (Naja philippinensis). What do you think or know? I've noticed that the Australian venom and toxin Database seems to have higher LD50 values for all snakes across the board. For example, for the black mamba IP value of 0.01 mg/kg is listed (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/004101018890219X) and Ernst and Zug et al 1996, list a SC value of 0.05 mg/kg for the black mamba. While the Australian venom and toxin Database listed much less toxic LD50's. So there seems to be a lot of variation. 2014-01-23 What's Your Favorite Venomous Snake? 2013-11-13 Deadliest Bite? 2013-09-16 IF the science of self-immunization for a snake envenomation was proven/perfected what is the least benefit(percentage) you would accept before practicing it on yourself? 2013-06-06 how did you learn to keep venomous reptiles? 2013-03-02 View All Survey Questions Have a good idea for a VenomousReptiles.org Survey question? Enter your idea!
Should we give Nick a 2nd chance?   Posted: Jun 10, 2008   (117 votes, 16 comments) by Chris_Harper   Yes   No   I don't know what you're talking about     (117 votes, 16 comments)
Survey Results
Yes 6% (7) No 55% (64) I don't know what you're talking about 39% (46)
Survey Comments
Sorry fellas, wanted to make sure everyone got a chance to vote and that the results would be heard loud and clear! ~ Todd Survey Mngr. Posted by RepFan on July 22, 2008 insignifficant other How 'bout a "most venomous wife/girlfriend" survey? Posted by toddg on July 22, 2008 Surprise me John Your turn for a survey! ;-) CH Posted by Chris_Harper on July 21, 2008 Yep, 8% to 57 % is fairly definitive. Time for a new survey. Best Regards John Z Posted by Cro on July 17, 2008 new survey this one is about toasted Posted by pictigaster1 on July 15, 2008 Agreed... Very well put Paul... Although, due to what I've seen, he will never be able to control himself, and therefore has no business returning here EVER again... Posted by theemojohnm on June 30, 2008 WAAAAAYYY too much negative drama. Go screw with a site made for teenagers. I left this website for a long period due to all of that stuff going on. I simply cannot deal with so much negative comments going back and forth. It looks stupid to onlookers thinking about registering and holding normal intellegent conversations and discussions. Send him down the road, it's for the best. Maybe when he acts more mature and can control his temper he can come back. Paul Posted by Adamanteus70 on June 29, 2008 Ive have been keeping my snakes somwhat secretive for awhile... I just never used forums much. I'm very new to this site, and I never realized the wealth of different views and experience avaliable on ones like this one. I have seen Nicks videos, and had a good chuckle... I have been all through these forums and could not believbe what I saw... I am all for second chances, but "muffdaddy" has taken things way too far. And besides his attack on people like Al (whom I do not even know personally), one of the biggest reasons Im irratated, is that he spreads some very false information regarding this hobby. And he will continue to protect hios sorry image to protect his reputation no matter what anyone tells him... Do we want people spreading false (and potentially harmful) info on a forums like this of a reputable organization, when novice snake keepers and even the experts come to learn??? I say NO WAY... JMO.. Posted by theemojohnm on June 27, 2008 No way. He and Mike are still masquerading as a "Snake Rescue Center" in order to build their stock for free. He's a liar, racist, and sociopath. He generates a lot of negative attention for this hobby, especially here in VA. Posted by RFSnakewrangler on June 26, 2008 other:I've been catching snakes since the age of 7 years old. I am now 37 years old and have been doing it most of my life for kicks. It is something that fascinates me about snakes. I enjoy their beauty. I enjoy the risk of being bit. It is a pure adrenline rush 2 me.What I would like 2 know is what I have 2 do 2 become a snake milker profesionally. Can somebody tell me please. Posted by kdawg71 on June 25, 2008 nick Controversy is the birth place of knowledge. Just my thoughts .I went back and read all of muffboys stuff and I could not believe the immaturity on all sides but I learned one very important thing.We all are human.We all act out children sometimes need to be spanked oh hell where is my paddle. LOL. Posted by pictigaster1 on June 22, 2008 I don't think Nick has the capacity to learn or bennifit in this forum. After many chances he has shown himself to be disrespectful, rude, and imature. He asks questions then critisises people for their input. A deffinate no here Posted by soberwolf on June 20, 2008 i dont know who nick is or what he has done i dont get to come to this site as much as id like to due to the fact i have to travel around for my job. Posted by carolinacrittercatcher on June 20, 2008 He is a huge asset to the forum. People get angered over topics and act out. Doesn't mean there bad, just human. I would give him another shot. When people were jumping all over that guy {RABBIT}from Indiana I thought it was cruel and wrong and went off at this forum. Shouldn't have done it but it happens. JQ Posted by BigBend66 on June 14, 2008 If memory serves, he was given second through about ten chances his first time around, and he posted one insult after another. As far as I'm concerned, the site benefits from his absence. Bill Huseth Posted by KingCobraFan on June 13, 2008 no he doesnt deserve it. Posted by SiUk on June 12, 2008 To post a comment, you must be logged in. If you are not a member, become one now!