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Most venomous/toxic Naja species in the world? I have read that the Philippine cobra is the most venomous (mice, 0.2 mg/kg SC with the lowest reported value being 0.14 mg/kg SC) (Brown, 1973). I have recently, come across something in the Indian Journal of Experimental Biology (Vol. 30, (issue 12), pages: 1158-1162, 1992) which stated that the LD50 for Naja oxiana was the most toxic/venomous (mice, 0.18 mg/kg SC and lowest reported value was 0.10 mg/kg). Along with that, the mortality rate for untreated Naja oxiana bites are the highest among all Naja species (70-80%). N.oxiana also produced the lowest known lethal dose (LCLo) of 0.005 mg/kg, the lowest among all cobra species ever recorded, derived from an individual case of poisoning by intracerebroventricular injection.
Following N. oxiana and N. philippinensis are N. melanoleuca at 0.225 mg/kg SC and then N. samarensis at 0.23 mg/kg. The water cobras (N. annulata and N. christyi also have very toxic venoms, but no SC values are listed. Only intraperitoneal (IP) values of 0.143 mg/kg for N. annulata and 0.12 mg/kg for N. christyi. IP values tend to be generally lower (more toxic than subcutaneous values, so it would be unfair to compare their IP results to the subcutaneous (SC) results of other Naja species. Then I have heard that (without solid evidence) that Naja nivea is the most venomous, although their murine SC LD50 range anywhere from 0.4 mg/kg (Toxicon, Vol. 5, issue 1, page 47, 1967) to 0.72 mg/kg (Australian venoms and toxins Databse).
So which is the most venomous? To me it seems obvious that it is the Caspian or Oxus cobra (Naja oxiana), followed by the Philippine cobra (Naja philippinensis). What do you think or know?
I've noticed that the Australian venom and toxin Database seems to have higher LD50 values for all snakes across the board. For example, for the black mamba IP value of 0.01 mg/kg is listed (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/004101018890219X) and Ernst and Zug et al 1996, list a SC value of 0.05 mg/kg for the black mamba. While the Australian venom and toxin Database listed much less toxic LD50's. So there seems to be a lot of variation.
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Do you think industry should do more to keep irresponsible snake breeders/retailers from ruining our reputations?
  Posted: Apr 22, 2009
  (96 votes, 8 comments)
by SnakeCharmer888
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yes
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91% (87)
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no
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It's not just hots that are a problem. Look whats happening because a few burmese got loose. If pet stores wouldn't sell burmese and retics to 12 year olds there wouldn't be as many releases. Of course most people who keep hots are probably going to be older and Hopefully more responsible. Don't take our rights away, just make sure irrisponsible people have to think twice about getting any pet. Look at the dogs in the pound though. Herpers don't have a monopoly on irrisponsible people!
Posted by
StevenO
on June 14, 2009
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Being Responsible for the snakes you have
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I think that irresponsibility has permeated our society in that no one hardly will step up and shoulder the responsibility for their actions and misactions. It is pathetic.
If you have any pet: be it a "hot" snake or a dog you are RESPONSIBLE for what it does in the community in which you live. If you wont' take responsibility you should be prosecuted for negligence. Period. End of story!!!!!
Posted by
number1bulldog
on May 19, 2009
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I completely agree with Eric.
Posted by
Jahon
on May 17, 2009
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Year after year same old conversations about irresponsible keepers and breeders, yet there is no rising death toll or increased incident reports to justify taking action against so called irresponsible breeders/keepers.
Most of the trouble is media based bs just to get a juicy story to justify there jobs and people do buy into it unfortunately. The other problem is old keepers that think they have more of a right to keep these animals than a newbie but they forget they started in the same place at one time.
Tell me who gets to decide who can and cannot keep venomous snakes. It's all a load of crap.
There are far worse things plaguing this country to sit and worry about how someone else is housing/caring for there snakes.
Things like this always start out with good intentions but get corrupted with time. Look at the government.
Like they say the road to H_ll is paved with good intentions.
Be safe
Eric G
Posted by
EPARR1
on May 10, 2009
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To georgiaboy
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No, everyone who keeps snakes-especially "hots"-
especially exotic (non-native) "hots"-does NOT have the
"right" to keep them however they wish, even
irresponsibly. Your "right" (it's not a right, it's a privilege,
like a driver's license) to keep venomous snakes,
especially those non-native to North America for which
there may be little, if any, antivenom, or doctors trained
to treat such snakebites, does NOT override the true right
of the general public to be safe from being bitten by an
escaped such snake. No one in North America who does
not by choice keep non-native venomous snakes should
EVER have to worry about facing a neighbor's escaped
mamba, cobra, puff adder, etc. So yes, if the industry
can't do a responsible job of keeping venomous,
especially non-native venomous snakes, out of the hands
of careless and irresponsible keepers, don't be surprised
when the public takes steps to protect itself. If you don't
want outside regulation, you MUST do the job of
regulating yourselves in a responsible manner. Don't
expect the public to just live with the potential death of an
innocent person, perhaps their pet or their child-from an
improperly secured venomous snake "kept" by an
irresponsible keeper. No matter how small the risk may
be, as hot keepers often point out, the risk is there, and
with the rise in "hot" keeping, the risk is rising. Some like
to compare the statistics to dog bites-consider how many
more people, and for how much longer, people have been
keeping domesticated dogs. Of course the actual numbers
will be smaller-with the growth of "hot" snake keeping,
let's check the percentages in a few years down the road.
Posted by
MeToo
on May 7, 2009
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I believe the majority of the industry is breeders and retailers, so it would seem that any effort would be voluntary and self policing. Pretty much what we have now.
Posted by
Ptk
on April 29, 2009
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Maybe
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I chose no due to the fact that we will be wasting our time trying to do so. What is the solution for this problem? Honestly. Each and every keeper whether they are responsible or not has a right to keep thier snakes how ever they wish. This goes with thier rights to own the animals as much as we do. If we take away thier rights then ours will soon be gone as well.
Posted by
georgiaboy
on April 27, 2009
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Of Course
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But figuring out a way to find these irresponsible breeders is the tricky part... Alot easier said than done.
Posted by
vanerka
on April 23, 2009
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