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INFORM AND REDIRECT
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IF SOMEONE IS DEAD SET ON GETTING A "HOT" HERP, TELL THEM TO FIRST GET A VERY AGGRESSIVE WATER SNAKE IE PLAIN BELLY. HANDLE IT LIKE YOU WOULD A HOT REPTILE. EVERYTIME IT BITES YOU, PUT A STICKY NOTE ON THE BACK OF THE ENCLOSURE THAT SAYS, "TODAY I COULD BE DEAD" AND PUT THE DATE. DO THAT FOR 12 MONTHS. AT THE END OF THE YEAR, LOOK AT YOUR STICKY NOTES AND SEE IF YOU ARE READY. NOONE IS REALLY READY, BUT YOU CANT BE COCKY OR TO RELAXED, ALL IT TAKES IS JUST ONE BITE, YOU ARE DONE.
DENNY
Posted by
herpman777
on December 27, 2007
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Share your knowlege!
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We are hot snake keepers, we love our hots, we're passionate about our hots. We all started out "hot stupid", we all asked dumb questions, we all had dumb ideas and even dumber notions at in the beginning.
We do hot snakes and our community a huge disservice by not sharing information with newbies. Propagating our passion only serves out best interests. be patient, be kind, be polite and BE INFORMATIVE and don't be resentful of a newbie wanting a mentor. There a good chance a well meaning newbie unaware will go ahead and get a hot regardless of your efforts to steer one clean of it. Guiding a newcomer properly into our hobby increases the odds of the newcomer's future hot survivability as well as reduces the odds of the newcomer being bitten by his/her new first hot snake. I'd rather infect people with a LOVE of hot snakes than allow the ignorant to go about killing them with my having done nothing about it.
It's great to love hot snakes, it's great to keep hot snakes and it's preferred to help a newcomer out whom desires to do so.
As far as risk potential and risk management, we live with black widow spiders in our homes, and at times, in our clothes. We live in a nation where firearm ownership is prevalent, we live in a society where violent crime occurs to 1 in 3 persons yearly. We drive down highways where injury and death can be seen everywhere and everyday. We manage risks by being in the know and acting accordingly, hot snake keeping is no different, learn, manage risk, think safety, TEACH.
Posted by
GQMedic
on July 31, 2007
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I voted #2 but.........
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I read, recently as a matter of fact, Meditations of Marcus Aurealius and was delighted to see the following.
In reference to character he learned from Sextus "to tolerate ignorant persons and those who form opinions without consideration." Now this was written many centuries ago but it is an excellent moral to have. Now I voted # 2 but I will admit I am guilty of giving up on people who display blatant ignorance and stupidity or just being to hard "verbally" on them. Chris H is right our boards are often times full of ignorant statements and our learned members tend to be hard on them. Venomous keepers are under so much scrutiny that it’s hard not to discourage the seemingly ignorant just to get them out of they way. I can see how turning you’re back on people like that can be dangerous though and I will try to make a conscious effort to be more helpful to the ignorant. But then again there are people out there that are really just too stupid for this hobby and have no business getting into it. This is a hard one and it most likely will boil down to a person’s individual character as some are just more patient than others.
Posted by
Peter84Jenkins
on July 16, 2007
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Keep Trying, It Can Save Lives
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If they don’t listen the first time, keep trying, it could eventually save their lives. It’s like this, some people are just a little stubborn just like me, so why not keep at it. If you are just as hard headed as they are, they will listen sooner or later.
In other words, don’t let them forget the Danger of this Hobby.
Be Safe Ya’ll, Happy Herping : Wally
Posted by
ALA_snake33
on July 7, 2007
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but.......
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When I was a kid, I'm sure I frustrated some fine, caring professionals who tried to steer me away from hot snakes. I'd have benefited from some mentoring, but it didn't exist for adolescent boys in Chicagoland back then. When a bag containing a moccasin jumped up and bit me over 40 years ago, I was surprised! I had no idea...............
Posted by
Pug
on July 6, 2007
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Patience?
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I think most people are saying they would be patient w/ this individual. Do the responses on this board over the years really bear that out?
Posted by
Chris_Harper
on July 6, 2007
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number 2 but....
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I continue to try to offer advice but I have to admit I do get wound up. I'm not offering advice to show what I know, I'm offering it to try to keep the person safe, so if I get ignored I find it exasperating. I'll keep trying to get them on the straight and narrow, but ultimately if a person chooses a path that can only end badly, despite what you say or do, you are limited to how much you can help. I've been in this position with an aquaintance of mine who just will not listen. Fortunately he hasn't been nailed yet, but as far as I'm concerned it's through luck not judgement.
Posted by
terciopelodave
on June 6, 2007
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I voted for #2...
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I voted for number two. To continue to try and enlighten the person. I could not turn my back on a newcomer to the hobby just because they did not take my advice. To do that I believe would be akin to turning my back on the hobby itself. What if by chance that person ends up getting tagged that I turn my back on? I could not live that on my conscience so I would at least offer my services/advice and if that was not accepted ; then try and lead by example or solicit the help of others that the person may be more apt to listen to. However, under no circumstances would I give up to ensure that the person gets the help and skills needed for this inherently dangerous endeavor.
~ Todd
Posted by
RepFan
on May 31, 2007
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