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Probably
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Current mtDNA techniques are turning up many cryptic species of well known snake (i.e. Naja naja is now Naja you name it! ca.10 or so!). As closer to home species are looked at in this way it is entirely probable (never mind possible) that new species may turn up (non-ven species are less likely to be checked out as a priority because there is no medical value in doing so). The current number of subspecies of Lampropeltis .sp seems begging for taxonomic clarification, as do Elaphe, Pituophis, and maybe even Crotalus, Micrurus etc. The european vipers have had a major taxonomic overhaul so I don't see why the N.A. wigglers can't.
By contrast, the chances of finding a previously undescribed animal is far slimmer - but still possible, new ring neck anyone?
Posted by
LAF
on September 16, 2002
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Who else likes Brady?
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I love Brady!
Posted by
SnakeEyes
on May 19, 2002
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Who wrote all the stuff about Brady?
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I love Brady? Who wrote all that? Email me!
crocodile_wild@hotmail.com
Oh, but kind of innapropriate for the survey. Sorry, Ok, I think there is about a 50% chance of finding a new species - we cannot say for certain that there are no new species, you can't prove that! But I think you might be overlooking something - you can't have found all of America's species!
Posted by
SnakeEyes
on May 14, 2002
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FAGGETABOUTIT
Posted by
Bellerophon
on October 3, 2001
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englishman
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proof of the inteligence of an american: an american woman works in my office, on her first day she makes a typing error on her PC, so she puts her college degree to use and tries to tipex out the mistake on the screen!
does this mean americans are dumb, or just women???
Posted by
Anonymous
on May 12, 2001
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North america not just USA
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The poor canadian/mexican student needs to
get a grip on reality.
He is bitter towards the USA for reasons
that need not be brought up on this forum.
To answer a couple of his bright qotes.
The reasons we dont give arms aid to canada
is simple they dont need it!!
also mexico has been nothing more than a den of drug lords
and bandits crossing our borders.
They have a new president [FOX] maybe
he will clean mexico up it is not the role of the USA to be the police of the world!
Then we will give them aid but it sounds like you my mexican/canadian student needs
a dose of reality.
Posted by
Bud
on April 30, 2001
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Dumb Americans Pt. IV
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Don't worry my Aussie friend. The Americans will probably assume that title for themselves, as the borders of the world are at California, New York, Michigan, and the Texas border. In response to previous posts, I wonder why any criticisms of Yanks are racist, but comments directed at Mexicans and Canadians are just fine?
Posted by
Kilarney_Kid
on February 10, 2001
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New Snakes
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It doesn't matter how hard you look you won't find any snakes as venemous as those here in Australia. Home of the top ten deadliest snakes in the world. By the way we would gladly hand that title to any who want it.
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 9, 2001
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Good grief!
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webmaster
Posted by
Charper
on February 8, 2001
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Okay, Take your high pitched whine...
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To a Canadian or Mexican venomous intellectual site and carry on this ridiculous attack there!
For one thing, the question at hand is whether or not you think a new species of snake could be found in North America.
NOT whether you are underappreciated as an american!
NOT whether you think all United States Americans are dumb!
Anonymous 1 (posted "Dumb Americans"), your post is an unwarranted attack and should be deleted on the basis that it is prejudiced, argumentative and inflammatory.
Buzztail1's attempt to placate and mediate is noted and subsequently ignored (he MUST be a "dumb caucasian american."
Anonymous 2 (posted "Dumb Americans Pt. II"), your post is uncalled for, off topic, and RACIST! Shame on you and the nose you are looking down.
Unappreciated American, your post is equally not on topic and you will forever be paying tax dollars to protect the whole world. OH WELL! You cannot force gratitude!
CASCABELLADONNA, NEO-NAZI etc? This is a reptile site! Good grief!
Anonymous 3 (posted "Dumb Americans Pt III), okay you don't appreciate americans and we produce no intelligence, only buy it. OKAY already! Take your chip to a Canadian or Mexican reptile website and spout your unappreciative, racist fecal matter to someone else. It is not needed or appreciated here!
By the way, I believe that the earth is round and that man is fallable and therefore the possibility exists that a new species of snake may be found on ANY continent (North America included).
Thank you for letting me address the posts on this site. These opinions are my own and obviously do not reflect the opinions of the site managers or the membership of the Southeastern Hot Herp Society in any way.
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 8, 2001
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Dumb Americans Pt. III
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When was the last time the US provided financial aid to Canada? When was the last time the good ole' USA provided military backing for Canada or Mexico? And yes, people do go to the US for health care more frequently than they travel to Mexico or Canada, but that's because the US buys the best minds in the world, not produces them. You're damn right I under-appreciate you. BTW, financial and military strength do not equal intellectual and moral might. Is there anything you Americans understand other than brute force?
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 8, 2001
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ETHNO-CENTRICITY
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FORGET TAKING OUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND ----IF ONLY WE COULD REMOVE OUR HEADS FROM OUR ASSES, THAT WOULD BE NICE---POMPOUS ASS AMERICAN FREAK! AND I'M FROM AMERICA! CHRIST!!!!!!!!!! WHY, OH WHY DO CERTAIN "AMERICANS" FEEL THE NEED TO DOWNPLAY ANYONE ELSE IN EXISTENCE? TAKE THAT CRAP BACK TO NEO-NAZI ERA GERMANY!
Posted by
CASCABELLADONNA
on February 8, 2001
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Ethno-centricity
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Listen you ingrate, my tax dollars protect you, not vice versa. Mexico receives millions of dollars in financial aid every year from the U.S. If Canada, Australia, or Mexico need financial, political or military backing, they turn to the U.S. Our "ethno-centricity" doesn't seem to matter then does it? What a fallacy that is anyway. This is the most culturally diverse nation in the world! Our scientists come from every tribe on planet earth.
Do we have the best scientists in the world? Well, I don't recall anyone flying down to Mexico to get brain surgery lately. Get your head out of the sand and take that chip off of your shoulder. - Unappreciated American
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 7, 2001
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Dumb Americans Pt. II
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It was not a political attack, it was a commentary on the American predisposition toward ethno-centricity in scientific matters. "...these countries are fairly poorly explored herpetologically..." That statement certainly implies that Canada and Mexico are inferior scientifically to the Good Ole' US of A. And by the way, I'm not originally Canadian, I'm Mexican. Although I am in University in Canada. And Mexico was inhabited by Mexicans one heck of a lot earlier than the United States of America was inhabited by the ethnocentric caucasian Americans.
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 7, 2001
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I have got to learn to read!!
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Oddly enough, in the post that talks about finding a new species in Canada, I couldn't find a single thing that identifies the poster (who was anonymous) as an American (dumb or otherwise). The following post which pointed out that there are still areas of the US that are not settled and may host undiscovered species was likewise not identified as being a US citizen (dumb or otherwise). No-one attacked Canada or said that they were underdeveloped or any such issue. I am half Canadian, I would have noticed. We are only asking if, in anyone's opinion, a new species is likely to be discovered in North America (of which Canada and Mexico are members along with the United States). This is not the arena for politcal attacks or petty name calling. Please feel free to post your opinions without resorting to name calling and attacks. Karl H. Betz
Posted by
Buzztail1
on February 7, 2001
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Ouch!
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That's a pretty "cold" thing to say.
:-)
CH
Posted by
Charper
on February 7, 2001
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Dumb Americans
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Is it just me or do Americans frequently assume that they are the only ones that explore, document, research, and discover? Canada is NOT relatively unexplored, unresearched, and unknown. Except to the thick skulled Americans south of our border. There are very few areas in Canada south of the glacial caps that aren't inhabited, explored, and well documented. If there were a new species of venomous snake discovered in North America it wouldn't be any more likely to be discovered in Canada than it would be in the US. In fact the Yanks would be more likely to discover a new species in their own back yards because most of them are only moderately educated!
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 6, 2001
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Interesting topic
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Jean, are you saying that Brady Barr is not an interesting topic?
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 5, 2001
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new snakes
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I think there is a possibility of the existence of many types of species yet to be discovered. The United States has areas with little or no population and the oceans may hold some unknown snake species. Thanks for the interesting topic.. Jean...
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 5, 2001
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New species
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I voted 0-25%. There are two other countries in N.A., and these countries are fairly poorly explored herpetologically.
There is a decent chance that a new species could be described from Canada (note: recent discovery of Crotalus furryepidermis in Canada - see http://www.venomousreptiles.org/forums/Experts/82 )
Seriously, we aren't remembering the possibility of an introduced species of snake in N.A. There are several intro'd species of other herps already, it's only a matter of time for a snake.
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 4, 2001
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Maybe if someone discovers a new continent... ya, right.
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 2, 2001
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New species
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Nah, ain't going to happen. But as Karl said, they may get the whole subspecies thing going. And while that is exciting to some point, it is really for the taxonomy guys to have something to do more than it is about "finding a new species". Also, hybrids don't count. Whenever there is an overlapping of range you'll have that. Even Mule deer and Whitetail deer mix on the fringes of their ranges, doesn't make them a new species. Just my thoughts.
Posted by
Troll
on February 2, 2001
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New species
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Entirely possible, I think.
But it will probably be a small, inconspicous burrower, rather than a brand, new Agkistrodon (sigh).
f
Posted by
filthy
on February 2, 2001
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New species - No...New name - probably!
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A totally new species is probably pretty unlikely (I voted 25%). However, the chances that existing species and/or subspecies will be reclassified and be called something new? Well, that's a whole 'nother ball of wax! Still out looking at the local atricaudatus, Karl
Posted by
Buzztail1
on February 1, 2001
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Brady Barr
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My uncle Brady is way better!!!
Go Brady!!!!!!!
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 1, 2001
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Barr v. Irwin
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No contest. Barr's the real thing. He's a scientist who really understands the animals.
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 1, 2001
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Brady Barr
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Brady's smarter!
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 1, 2001
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Brady will make a vegemite sandwich out of Steve. G'day, mate!
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 1, 2001
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Brady Barr
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Brady Barr rules!!!
Posted by
Anonymous
on February 1, 2001
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