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Survey Question	Current Survey Question Should hobbyists ever free handle venomous reptiles with their hands? Recent Surveys Most venomous/toxic Naja species in the world? I have read that the Philippine cobra is the most venomous (mice, 0.2 mg/kg SC with the lowest reported value being 0.14 mg/kg SC) (Brown, 1973). I have recently, come across something in the Indian Journal of Experimental Biology (Vol. 30, (issue 12), pages: 1158-1162, 1992) which stated that the LD50 for Naja oxiana was the most toxic/venomous (mice, 0.18 mg/kg SC and lowest reported value was 0.10 mg/kg). Along with that, the mortality rate for untreated Naja oxiana bites are the highest among all Naja species (70-80%). N.oxiana also produced the lowest known lethal dose (LCLo) of 0.005 mg/kg, the lowest among all cobra species ever recorded, derived from an individual case of poisoning by intracerebroventricular injection. Following N. oxiana and N. philippinensis are N. melanoleuca at 0.225 mg/kg SC and then N. samarensis at 0.23 mg/kg. The water cobras (N. annulata and N. christyi also have very toxic venoms, but no SC values are listed. Only intraperitoneal (IP) values of 0.143 mg/kg for N. annulata and 0.12 mg/kg for N. christyi. IP values tend to be generally lower (more toxic than subcutaneous values, so it would be unfair to compare their IP results to the subcutaneous (SC) results of other Naja species. Then I have heard that (without solid evidence) that Naja nivea is the most venomous, although their murine SC LD50 range anywhere from 0.4 mg/kg (Toxicon, Vol. 5, issue 1, page 47, 1967) to 0.72 mg/kg (Australian venoms and toxins Databse). So which is the most venomous? To me it seems obvious that it is the Caspian or Oxus cobra (Naja oxiana), followed by the Philippine cobra (Naja philippinensis). What do you think or know? I've noticed that the Australian venom and toxin Database seems to have higher LD50 values for all snakes across the board. For example, for the black mamba IP value of 0.01 mg/kg is listed (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/004101018890219X) and Ernst and Zug et al 1996, list a SC value of 0.05 mg/kg for the black mamba. While the Australian venom and toxin Database listed much less toxic LD50's. So there seems to be a lot of variation. 2014-01-23 What's Your Favorite Venomous Snake? 2013-11-13 Deadliest Bite? 2013-09-16 IF the science of self-immunization for a snake envenomation was proven/perfected what is the least benefit(percentage) you would accept before practicing it on yourself? 2013-06-06 how did you learn to keep venomous reptiles? 2013-03-02 View All Survey Questions Have a good idea for a VenomousReptiles.org Survey question? Enter your idea!
Thanks for voting! Your vote has been included in the results below. If you HAD to choose from the following list, and assuming you were 1 hour from a hospital, which snake would you pick to be bitten by? SCENARIO: You are in the field where the chosen snake occurs naturally. Therefore, whatever antivenom the hospitals in that particular snake's region carry could be expected to be available. The treatment for the bite once you arrive at the hospital will follow it's normal course.   Posted: Feb 10, 2001   (1053 votes, 50 comments) by Charper
Survey Results
Coastal Taipan 6% (65) Eastern Diamondback 51% (537) Fer de lance 7% (71) Saw scaled viper 8% (88) Monocled cobra 19% (203) I don't know enough about them to make the right choice. 8% (89)
Survey Comments
It sounds crazy but..... Worse case sinerio, the bite goes untreated and I believe the mortallity rate on untreated bites from saw scaled vipers is aroun 40%. I'm not sure but I believe all the others are probably higher, so I reluctantly chose Echis. However, Aulstralia only has about 2 fatalities per year from snakebites, so as crazy as it sounds, a Tiapan may not be a bad choice..... not that ther are any good choices! Posted by toddg on February 19, 2006 pian and scaring would not be my main cocern in this situation. but life and the fact is that almost all of the snakes are neurotoxic. and evan though the effects of there venom cant be reversed. the panic that I might go through knowing that I was bitten by one of them. would make my time shorter. so you can only gess what I picked Posted by textilis on September 17, 2004 what snake would you rather be bitten by I've heard that the eastern dimondback could be developing nuerotoxic quilitys in it's venom so if you get bitten by an eastern diamondback you could possibly get a good dose of both hemotoxin and nuerotoxin Posted by micheal23 on April 6, 2004 Not the Monocled Cobra! Uh hello! The bite of the Monocled Cobra can be fatal within 60 minutes! If you don't believe me, even go check it out at: http://www-surgery.ucsd.edu/ENT/Davidson/Snake/Naja.htm Here are some of the symptoms of being bitten by a Monocled Cobra: Drowsiness Eyelid drooping (Ptosis) Respiratory paralysis or Dyspnea Ophthalmoplegia Palatal paralysis Glossopharyngeal paralysis Limb paralysis Convulsions Head drooping (Cervical muscle paresis or paralysis) Headache Sudden loss of consciousness Stumbling gait (Ataxia) Hypotension Flushing of the face Warm skin Pain around bite site Nausea and Vomiting Abdominal Pain Urticaria and Fever (rare) Posted by SnakesAreTheCoolest on January 29, 2003 With out a doubt my choice would be the EDB,because of the new US universal antivenom.Leaves few side affects if any and a 99.9% success rate among us snakes. Jeff Quarles Va Posted by cottonmouth on April 16, 2002 Survey So, barring fear, ignorance and down-right retaliaton, I may have made the wrong choice. Posted by walkmaster on September 21, 2001 hello is steve irwin dead? Posted by Anonymous on April 27, 2001 got brains whats wrong with you people an edb would make your arm swell like a ballon and they would have to slice your arm all the way to the sholder you would have alot of scaring, some of you picked the taipan until 1995 no one has every survived a bite from that snake, saw scales have venome that will killed in an extermly painful way(internal bleeding,) some of you chose the fer de lance there a good decison you would die from the pain of this bite. the naja is not going to kill you in an hour this bite wont hurt and it wont cause permain damge. now you know Posted by cTr on April 26, 2001 sounds stupid...but hey I would have to say the saw-scaled viper. Why the hell?!? you might ask? Well, based on the circumstances (one hour from a hospital with antivenom), it would prove easier to survive on the way to the hospital with a bite that can take a week of internal bleeding to kill rather than heart failure or the loss of a limb (in the least case!). People have been know to die of saw-scaled viper bites- from internal bleeding- up to a week after invenomation, thus, my answer. Posted by Anonymous on March 3, 2001 Cool. I guessed Naja, and that seems to be the consensus in the comments. Did better on this quiz than with Fantasy Outback on Survivor II! BTW: Didn't they film that in Taipan country? Posted by Anonymous on March 2, 2001 golden lance-head same toxicity approx. as fer-de-lance? what potential life-saving drugs may be in the future from venom of these animals? Posted by snakefan on March 2, 2001 Easy Choice I've seen quite a few rattler bites, and even have a neighbor that was bitten by one and didn't even go to the hospital for it. My father was bitten by a taipan during the war and he suffers from it to this day. I've also talk with a few "hot" handlers around my area, they also agree, that even though a rattler bite can be risky, their more apt not to get as good a bite on you as the others. kringle Posted by kringle on March 1, 2001 Cobra In my humble opinion, the EDB is potentially the most dangerous animal in North America. Size was not mentioned, but if offending critter is near the large end of its capacity, I would strike the EDB first. The venom of the Echis is according to one list I have seen, as toxic to humans as any land snake's.. Scratch that. Fer-de-Lance is not specified (there are several), but none that I would care to be envenomated by. Can you say pain? The Taipan would be my second choice, due to the potential for keeping symptoms at bay with a compression bandage. ~~Greg~~ Posted by GREGLONGHURST on February 27, 2001 the hospitals coming from Africa and having travelled quite a bit I have seen the horrors that lurk in 3rd world hospitals- going on that I took EDB, although given the selection with a first world hospital nearby I take the cobra- least pain particularly in the first hour and least chance of permentant damage- Andy Posted by Anonymous on February 26, 2001 Fer de lance?! When the question was originally posted I figured the Monocled cobra would run away with it. Frankly, the number of votes the EDB continues to receive amazes me. Even more shocking is that 7% of the respondents "elected" to be bitten by the Fer de lance. I'm curious to hear the decision making process behind that choice. Posted by Anonymous on February 26, 2001 Go to www.tongs.com to see snake bite pics. Posted by Anonymous on February 25, 2001 I agree about haemotoxins I WOULD FAR RATHER BE BITTEN BY A MONOCLED COBRA OR TAIPAN BECAUSE THE DESCRIPTIONS OF VIPER(HAEMOTOXINS)BITES ARE HORRIFIC.THEY CAUSE EXCRUCIATING PAIN AND HORRENDOUS TISSUE NECROSIS OF THE LIMB WHICH FREQUENTLY REQUIRES AMPUTATION. I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE BEING BITTEN BY A VIPER AS IT IS TOO HORRIFIC TO EVEN THINK ABOUT.I HAVE ALSO HEARD HOWEVER THAT THE EFFECT OF NEUROTOXIC VENOM CAUSES A FLOATING,HALLUCINOGENIC FEELING LIKENED TO THAT OF DRUGS, WHICH I SUPPOSE CANT BE TOO BAD!! ALSO THERE IS A REASONABLY GOOD CHANCE OF SURVIVAL WITH A COBRA BITE WITH CREPE BANDAGES AND ANTIVENIN. P.S DOES ANYBODY KNOW SITES WITH PICTURES OF VICTIMS BITTEN BY SNAKES? Posted by Anonymous on February 25, 2001 You are right about EDB's but... The question was originally published without the scenario attached. Eastern Diamondbacks probably shot into the lead on the assumption that most hospitals in the southeastern United States would have antivenin for EDBs but might not/probably wouldn't have antivenin for the other species mentioned. Once the scenario was posted, a number of people re-examined their answer (mostly in favor of the cobra) but couldn't remove their previously cast vote for the EDB. It just doesn't make sense to pick to be bitten by a snake that you aren't sure that there will be antivenin available for. Perhaps that is one of the underlying lessons of this survey question? Karl Posted by Buzztail1 on February 24, 2001 EDB'S Yeah i agree, it seems that everyone thinks this would oobviously be the easiest bite too survive from, but from every bite case i have ever seen most people had horrible hemotoxic effects and plenty of respiratory distress. personally i would go with a monocle bite ( from what i hear they are known to give a pretty high rate of dry bites as well) which would have PLENTY of antivenin available in its naturally occuring area. Saw scale, and lanceheads are outta the question, probably the worst (meaning most gruesome bites) and coastals(australians?) would have to be the most likely to put ya in a pine box. sorry maybe this is just a rant, but i'm not on line much anymore, hey guys, jared w Posted by Anonymous on February 24, 2001 EDB?!?! WHAT?!? Everyone seems to think the eastern DB would be easier. These fellas only have hemotoxin and could easily be treated by Wyeth's. WHAT?!? Remember that they inject probably the MOST hemotoxin and a full-on bite would put new meaning in the term PAIN, not to mention the distinct possibility that you will lose the affected limb. I think I'd take my chances w/ a taipan and a good 'ol pressure bandage. This simple protocol can offset the effects of the venom for as much as 12 hrs. I'll be at the hospital w/ the correct A/V within 1 hour (remember the question). Posted by ChumLEY on February 23, 2001 I chose the monocled For me, the taipan and fer de lance are absolutely out of the question, and I don't know enough about the saw-scale venom to say. That leaves the monocled and the EDB. Although I'm not nearly as schooled on this topic as many of the contributors below, I do know that I NEVER want to experience the pain that would be involved with a big daddy EDB. Having experienced the painful bites of two very small, relatively mild vipers; I can only imagine the misery that would accompany a bite from a large EDB. And that's not even considering the potential loss of limb. The best case scenario for an EDB bite, even with antivenom, would be excruciating pain, extraordinary swelling, and a long period of rehab for the bitten limb. With the monocled, at least there would be the possibility of resuming semi-normal existence within the foreseeable future. York Morgan Posted by Anonymous on February 23, 2001 Big bad bummer I have been around a few hots in my life. the only thing that ever bit me, was a false water cobra. you know why, because I was handling it like a pet hamster. My point? it hurt really Bad! I mean , like really bad. The thought of being bittin is really scary. So I am careful. But I would chose the diamond back as the lesser of of above said evils. But it would really suck. Steve in los gatos Posted by Anonymous on February 22, 2001 OK... answer in haste, recuperate at leasure. Let's say the senario is changing a tire, on your ambulance, at night, you reach for the tire iron to put it away and instead you grab Mr. Noshoulders. Now then, the taipan is right out. Multiple bites, lots of venom, bad temper. The new world snakes have the best delivery system, an adult is going to put that hemotoxin in deep. Fast systemic reaction, large scale damage, pass... The saw scale is just too wierd and awful in its toxin effects, no thanks. Alright, so I've therfore determined that I would prefer to be bitten by a cobra, yeah right. I still think I'd take my chances in real life close encounter with the eastern diamondback if the bite were not a centainty. Posted by Cheeseman on February 22, 2001 To all Looks like I need to take english and spelling sorry...Snake Bob Posted by Anonymous on February 19, 2001 To all Well I don't know alot of the tech. data you all have but I have been handleing venomous herps for about17 years with a couple close calls ..but thank God I haven't got taged.I have to go with the eastern mainly because of the availability of different hospital and almost seeming to out number the easterns any more the hopitals and care are almost defenetly more high tech here then in most besides tia country Posted by Anonymous on February 19, 2001 How deadly is the bite of a rattlesnake? Your question covers a lot of species and sub-species. ( See the link at the left titled "Rattlesnakes".) The best way to answer your question is to tell you to view the Venom Chart link also found on the left navbar. But since this survey question only included the Eastern Diamondback rattlesnake, I will tell you that before antivenom, the mortality rate ranged somewhere between 5% and 25%. So actually your odds of surviving were fairly good even without antivenom. Today, it is rare that anyone dies from a rattlesnake bite simply because of the quality of medical care available. If you get to antivenom quickly enough your chances of surviving are great and you will also reduce the amount of permanent tissue damage as well. One thing you can count on though, is that whatever limb is effected will have some form of permanent damage. Posted by Charper on February 18, 2001 Medicine from Venom The Black Mamba's venom is currently being studied as a painkiller, but not as a blood thinner. The venom of the Saw Scaled viper is notorius for it's blood thinning ability and was the source for the new blood thinning drug Aggrastat, now in use to treat heart attacks. The venom of the Jararaca, Bothrops jararaca, was used to develop the anti-hypertension medication, Capoten. And the venom of the Southern Copperhead is the source of a soon to be released cancer drug, Contortrostatin. Posted by Charper on February 17, 2001 how deadly is a bite from a rattlesnake anyway? Posted by Anonymous on February 17, 2001 Mamba venom Is it true that the Mamba venom is being studied so it can be used as a painkiller or blood thinner. steven hall Posted by Anonymous on February 16, 2001 sawscale The small sawsacale would give less necrosis. If you have antivenom no problem. all the rest have high tissue damage. Posted by Bud on February 15, 2001 I chose C. adamanteus Unfortunately, after reading the multitude of preceding comments, this was obviously NOT a wise decision. My decision was based primarily upon the impression that most Crotalus envenomations , excluding, C. durissus & C. scutulatus, rarely cause fatalities, whereas, all the other choices have well documented fatality statistics. Posted by DerekK on February 15, 2001 I need to get your book! I need to get a copy of your book Wolfgang! I guess I'm going to have to mow a lot of lawns this summer. LOL -- Just so you know, my source for this info was the Handbook of Clinical Toxicology of Animal Venoms and Poisons by Meier and White CH Posted by Charper on February 14, 2001 Thanks... Wolfgang and Chris. You both brought up great points. You guys have definately made me rethink my answer. I still wouldnt want to get tagged by any of the above mentioned but if I had to pick, probally the saw scaled since the venom is relativly slow acting. EDB would probally be a second chocie but boy does that gota hurt. Even the thought of a dry bite makes me shiver. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Later, Jeremy Posted by TAIPAN78 on February 14, 2001 Taipan bites Chris, The 75% lethality figure applied to the days before antivenom (and I am pretty sure even that is inflated). Nowadays, death is rare even after taipan bites in Australia. A recent study in PNG reported a fatality rate of 4.2%, largely due to the use of mechanical ventilation. 42% os patients required intubation, and would rpesumably have died untreated. However, you are spot-on in noting that this species does a lot more than just cause neurotoxicity. This would definitely not be a species to be bitten by. Cheers, Wolfgang Posted by CAISSACA on February 14, 2001 The Coastal Taipan Most people know about the Taipan's venom causing physical and respiratory paralysis, but did you also know that it causes severe coagulopathy problems? Most notable is a severe drop in blood platelets (unclottable blood), which may lead to cerebral hemmorhage. So even if you receive antivenom and are put on a respirator, you may still die. BTW, 75% of people who are envenomated by a Taipan die. Does that help make your decision any easier? Posted by Charper on February 14, 2001 Monocled Having been involved with bites by all of the above over the past 3 years the monocled takes my bet. Although its capable of causing respiratory arrest in under 20 minutes it responds well to Naja naja kaouthia antivenom from Thai. Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2001 cobra definitely the monacled cobra. with proper pressure bandage applied and antivenom available, the greatest chance of recovery with the least damage would be the cobra. in fact, my order from most perferred (not really such a thing) to least perferred for bites under the listed circumstances would be: cobra, taipan, diamondback, fer-de-lance, saw scale. Posted by Anonymous on February 12, 2001 I would have to say... O.scutellatus belive it or not. Though the Costal Taipan's venom is the 6th most toxic of any snake and bites can be fatal in under 30 mins, if I had a good preasure bandage handy and a freind to help carry me(which I always have unless looking for Copperheads in my back yard)I think the long term effects would be alot less devastateing then that of the others. From what I have gathered through reading about Taipan envenomations, if a preasure bandage is firmly and quickly applied and if rushed to a hospital in plenty of time, AV works extreamly well in reversing the affects of Taipan venom. The only problem with this is that Taipans tend to strike out multipule times, injecting more venom with each bite and with venom yeilds of up to 200mgs per bite, one could drop dead before even getting the bandage on. I quess if I were tagged once in the ankle or hand, then the Taipan definately but in the case of multipul bites, any of the others would be better in my opinion. Posted by TAIPAN78 on February 12, 2001 Easy choice for me! I am aware of the different snakes venom capabilities.I am also profficent in field First Aid for the different venoms.In making my choice, I opted for a mainly nuerotoxic bite since recovery from non-tissue damaging venoms are quicker and cleaner. So leaves the Taipan and the Monacled. The monacle is smaller and lesser on the LD50 scale than the Taipan. So after my "Monacled" bite I would 1n seconds I would drink a half bottle of Bynadryl elixer while appling a pressure restriction wrap to the affected limb (it wasn't clear that this could have been a torso bite). I always carry ace badages in the field. I would also have my Epi-Kit ready and in hand for the next 25 minutes. The great part about this is the Bynadryl will probably stay down. (The last time I was bit by a WDB, I tossed up my stomach in the first 12 minutes)!And wait for my arrival to Med center. There is no doubt I will probably suffer some temporary nerve damage in the worst scenario but both presynaptic and postsynaptic damages can heal with the latter being longest. Better than a lost limb or liver and kidney damage! C.Gex Posted by CGex on February 11, 2001 Changing the specifics would drastically change my answer. I found the following in Venomous Reptiles by Minton and Minton: Carl Kauffeld described a cobra bite as: "I was sinking into a state that could not be called unconsciousness, but one in which I was no longer aware of what was going on about me....I felt no anxiety; I felt no pain; it did not even strike me as strange that the darkness was closing in on the light....I am certain that I did not lose consciousness entirely at any time; I only felt a complete and utter lassitude in which nothing seemed to matter-not at all unpleasant if this is the way death comes from cobra poisoning." He recovered with antivenom. The same book gives the following description: "A Pakistani farmer came to the hospital a week after being bitten by one of these snakes {a saw-scaled viper}. His loins ached, his urine was bloody, and blood seeped from his gums. Neither antivenin, blood transfusions, nor coagulant drugs such as vitamin K brought any lasting improvement. He died, apparently from a cerebral hemorrhage, 12 days after his snakebite." Given the newest parameters of this question, I would prefer to be bitten by a cobra. However, I would like to get information from anyone who has been bitten by one of the question's snakes. Anyone out there? Searching for informative data, Karl Posted by Buzztail1 on February 11, 2001 Something to think about A person that I know, that shall remain nameless, who was bitten by a Saw-scaled viper, said that the pain was "like a red-hot iron rod shoved in his finger and all the way up to his shoulder". Pain and long term damage would also knock out both the eastern diamondback and the fer-de-lance as choices for me. Either of the neurotoxics could be managed fairly well with a tight pressure dressing (or even a tourniquet) and mouth-to-mouth if need be. That's assuming that I know help is only an hour away. Posted by Charper on February 10, 2001 Sawscaled viper From my knowledge it is generally a very slow acting venom. Some people leaving the hospital and dieing days later from internal bleeding. A venom that slow acting would give you plenty of time to head for the hospital. Cheers, John Posted by JHEWLETT on February 10, 2001 I didn't realize... ...when I first answered the question I didn't know you meant you would be in the native geographic area where the snake would be located.Therfore I chose the rattlesnake,assuring that antivenom would be readily available.I might have to consider the cobra too,if I knew antivenom was readily available in the country I was bitten. ReptileHunter Posted by Anonymous on February 10, 2001 The AV Question TO CLARIFY: You are in the field where the chosen snake occurs naturally. Therefore, whatever antivenom the hospital's in that particular snake's region carry could be expected to be available. The treatment for the bite once you arrive at the hospital will follow it's normal course. Posted by Charper on February 10, 2001 If I HAD to choose.... Well, really it's sort of a tough choice. Assuming the hospital nearby had all types of anti-venin available, and they actually know how to use it... If I HAD to choose, it would probably be the Cobra. The symptoms of the bite that I have read about, having never been bitten by a cobra, lead me to believe that if anti-venin is administered properly and life support provided if necessary, I could walk away with less damage than the other snakes would do. Posted by Kilarney_Kid on February 10, 2001 Gambling on life! This one is very tough! Mostly neurotoxic symptoms from (I believe) the Taipan and the Monocled Cobra but the nearest hospital is not likely to have exotic antivenom close at hand. Fer-de-Lance, with explosive tissue destruction, is not even thinkable. Saw Scaled Viper (I suppose I could cheat and zip over to Allen's site to read about the symptoms) is, to my belief, way too exotic for my local hospital to even have heard of. Now for the really sad part. The snake that I would most likely be bitten by is the Eastern Diamondback which IS local and the hospital is very likely to have the antivenom. It also is capable of delivering a massive dose of venom due to its relative size (6 footers are still being found locally) and the necrotic nature of the bite. So, of all of the choices given, I guess I would have to go with the adamanteus. At least the hospital would stand a chance of saving my life, if not my finger or appendage. Given the nature of our hobby, this question is far from pointless. If you take one of these snakes into your collection, you should be fully aware of the consequences of the possible bite. Too many people think "Oh , that cobra is pretty, where can I get one?" without thinking "If my cobra bites me, how will I be able to survive?" Just me curled up under my heat lamp, Karl. Posted by Buzztail1 on February 10, 2001 Does the hospital have the right a/v???? That would be the most important question - there is little point in trying to answer without that information. If there is a/v, then I'd go for the saw-scale - local tissue damage is generally not TOO bad, and an hour is normally more than enough to get to the hospital - this is a fairly slow-acting venom. If there is GOOD antivenom, the potentially fatal haemorrhagic effects are relatively easily controlled. If there is no a/v, then I guess I'll go for the N. kaouthia. The fatal part of the bite of this species is neurotoxicity, which can be dealt with through the simple medium of mechanical ventilation, even in transit to the hospital. On the other hand, if you are about to have a cerebral hemorrhage, there is nothing other than a/v that can prevent it from happening. To Matt: Obviously, this is not a question relevant to the real world, except if you are planning homicide by snakebite. On the other hand, it is interesting to think about these issues. It's also something to think about if you are considering acquiring an exotic hot -which is least likely to kill or maim you given where you live etc. Cheers, WW Posted by CAISSACA on February 10, 2001 For Matt Matt, You've missed the point. The question is not about "wanting" to be bitten. Rather, it is designed to test our site visitor's knowledge of the listed snake's venoms and their residual effects. Once the survey has run it's course, everyone will have learned something. The comments are usually very educational. ~ the Webmaster Posted by Charper on February 10, 2001 I just ran into this site and I think its great...quiz included...42 year old aspiring herp. Posted by Anonymous on February 10, 2001 If you had a choice?? Personally, I think this survey topic is rather pointless. What snake do you want to be bitten by, NONE!!!Why ask such questions, it's not like you are going to be able to choose in a real life situation. Posted by Matt on February 10, 2001 To post a comment, you must be logged in. If you are not a member, become one now!