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Following N. oxiana and N. philippinensis are N. melanoleuca at 0.225 mg/kg SC and then N. samarensis at 0.23 mg/kg. The water cobras (N. annulata and N. christyi also have very toxic venoms, but no SC values are listed. Only intraperitoneal (IP) values of 0.143 mg/kg for N. annulata and 0.12 mg/kg for N. christyi. IP values tend to be generally lower (more toxic than subcutaneous values, so it would be unfair to compare their IP results to the subcutaneous (SC) results of other Naja species. Then I have heard that (without solid evidence) that Naja nivea is the most venomous, although their murine SC LD50 range anywhere from 0.4 mg/kg (Toxicon, Vol. 5, issue 1, page 47, 1967) to 0.72 mg/kg (Australian venoms and toxins Databse).
So which is the most venomous? To me it seems obvious that it is the Caspian or Oxus cobra (Naja oxiana), followed by the Philippine cobra (Naja philippinensis). What do you think or know?
I've noticed that the Australian venom and toxin Database seems to have higher LD50 values for all snakes across the board. For example, for the black mamba IP value of 0.01 mg/kg is listed (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/004101018890219X) and Ernst and Zug et al 1996, list a SC value of 0.05 mg/kg for the black mamba. While the Australian venom and toxin Database listed much less toxic LD50's. So there seems to be a lot of variation.
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When you go to the field in search of venomous snakes, do you wear snakeproof boots, leggings or chaps?
Posted: Apr 13, 2001
(252 votes, 14 comments)
by Charper
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Yes, always.
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21% (53)
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Most of the time.
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14% (36)
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Once in a while.
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8% (21)
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Never! I rely on my keen eyesight, phenomenal knowledge of snake behavior and lightning quick reflexes to keep myself from being bitten.
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36% (90)
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Are you crazy? I don't go to the field in search of venomous snakes!
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21% (52)
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Survey Comments
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Snakeboots
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Do you want to spend your time outdoors looking down at you feet? Go over to www.snakeboots.com and buy you a pair of good snake proof boots. Then you can go enjoy your time outside because they give you peace of mind.
Posted by
outdoor
on June 15, 2003
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HECK YEA!!!!!!!
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You play with fire you're bound to get burned!
Posted by
MOUNTAINMAN
on February 7, 2002
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common sense
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In South,Ga where I live there is alot of underbrush off the trails and it is thick.
But even on the trails if your a hot herp
enthusiest it's best to be safe than very sorry or even dead . Being bitten by any
hot I'm sure some of you know is no fun .
casabela28
Posted by
casabela28
on May 9, 2001
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Boots, leggings or chaps? ?
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If you need boots, leggings or chaps is because you are blind!!!
I mean if you are out in the field looking for venomous, and you need to wear these type of gear, (because of fear finding one by sorprice too close for it to possibly bite you) maybe you should not be looking for venomous snakes at all.
I am not saying that I go searching in shorts and tennis shoes, I might get to close to a cactus or a spiky bush. I go in jeans and confortable highking shoes.
Snakes are always spoted at a distance.
Like I say if you are looking for a venomous snake and you find it but within strike range is because you were not really looking Or because you are just plain out blind.
HERPNUT
Posted by
HERPNUT
on May 1, 2001
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boots,
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i voted once in a while,it depends on were im at,if i am hunting cottmouths in flooded swamps i wear "nam"jungle boots.but if i know i am going into thick brush,palmetow thickets,ect.and i know there are cane break and dimond back rattlesnakes in the area,then i wear custom 16"gokey's,i used to wear there"snake proof"boots some time back but cant wear them now due to a broken left ankle and right foot.the gokey company has made me a pair of custom lace up snake boots that are the most comfortable and suportive i have ever worn,i can wear these all day!the draw back is,they were pretty expensive,but i think the quality and peace of mind are worth it.ever price treatment for a snake bite? james(preacher)
Posted by
2-step
on April 18, 2001
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protection
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i just wear a t-shirt, shorts or trousers and safari boots i am to slow when i wear all the protect and i get to hot.
doberman72@hotmail.com
Posted by
Anonymous
on April 17, 2001
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deadliest snake
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it all depends on the amout of people living near a certain snake species. Like the black mamba for example, it lives in the fields and around houses were people live and work, thus causing a serious problem.It causes more deaths in Africa than any other snake. It don't always depend on how venomous a snake is to make it the world's deadliest, just where it lives and how agressive it is. It would be terrible if the inland taipan lived were there were a lot of people, terrible for the people and the snake.
Posted by
Anonymous
on April 8, 2001
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Do What????
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Rule #1. Protect the snake HANDLER first!
You sound like an accident waiting to happen......if you are for real that is. Why do you think they make snake handling tools?
webmaster
Posted by
Charper
on April 7, 2001
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how i handle snakes
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I have been handleing snakes for about two weeks and so far i have not been bitten yet and i hope i wont because i believe and hope that i wont be bitten unless its a nonvenomous snake because i never wear any foot protection like boots or any gloves like others wear i do it all natural as some might say which is not safe at all.but i do it so i dont hurt the snakes because thats what is all about right guys?i mostly rely on my good eye sight and my lightning fast reflexes.
Posted by
Anonymous
on April 6, 2001
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venomoids
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I don't know anything about snakes and can barely spell the word which is the reason I'm here. However, I respect that which I don't know and that which I do. I would wear protective gear into the field.
Like the terroist says, We only have to win ONCE. It's not the venomoid that you are hunting that you can zap, it's the one you are not, and don't see that'll zap you.
I'd think it's not not so much a matter of courage, but of stupidity. A lot of grief for naught.
Regards...
Posted by
Anonymous
on April 2, 2001
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Boots, depending!
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It depends entirely on how I am hunting. If I am going into any underbrush where I might miss seeing a snake before it sees me, I wear boots and jeans. But if I am road hunting or walking paths in the woods, I have been seen with just "low-quarter" shoes. And then I am relying on my "keen eyesight, phenomenal knowledge of snake behavior and lightning quick reflexes to keep myself from being bitten." So far, it has been my experience, that a snake will be happy to let you walk right past it and won't usually strike until you stop to "mess with it." By then, you should not be in range to be bitten on the feet or legs. Karl
Posted by
Buzztail1
on March 30, 2001
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No hots
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We dont have any venomous species by where I live... So i voted are you crazy...
But if i did i would probably just wear my hiking boots and keep my eyes peeled.
Posted by
Mojo
on March 28, 2001
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Boots & etc.
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In my younger days, I used to wear lineman's boots, more for protection from briars than anything else. At a place I worked, they made us wear Gokey snake proof boots. Today, I'm unable to wear boots at all due to a smashed ankle I got a some years ago.
I've never stepped on a snake of any kind, which doesn't mean that it can't happen the next time out.
luck,
f
Posted by
filthy
on March 28, 2001
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browns,tigers and taipans...
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I voted once in a while.....if I go herping after work..where I wear construction boots but I have also grabbed browns and tigers in thongs and have handled all my gear at home without footwear on.
Scott(blacksnake)
Posted by
BLACKSNAKE
on March 28, 2001
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