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Allllllrighty then !!!!!!
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Yo Yo Yo, Wassup, Reeeeee-speckt to da Mr Wood. No offence taken by me, just wanted to air my views ( again !)Don't take this the wrong way, but I still think you should get a list of hints and tips together and maybe submit them to the site - I for one would appreciate all the help and advice that's out there from the more advanced herp keepers, and no-doubt everyone else should feel the same way - you can never have enough information, contrary to what my small gray mass of head-jelly tells me... Anyhoo!, Although I am not listed as a subscriber to this site - YET !, can I assure everyone that the Webmaster should have recieved my payment by now ( that's if the pigeon made it across the Atlantic in one piece ! ) PS : for Tad wood, Your opinion could not have offended that many people - as no-one wrote in! OK, that's my site fix for today, I'm going back to cleaning snake S**t outa me vivs, feed the other inmates, and go mail some long overdue cheques ! See ya.
Posted by
BanffshireBushman
on October 1, 2003
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Easy...
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Hey, I didnt mean to offend (even though on a reread of my post it looks that way). I agree that this is the best venomous site on the web. That goes without saying. I also agree that our differences (variety) are what makes the world go 'round, and this includes MY evidently unpopular opinion. What you didn't see is that at about the same time that I was writing this post, I was also sending in a donation to help support this site. btw, my response to the survey is that this scenario would never never happen, because (like all responsible keepers)I keep my guys under lock and key.
Posted by
Crotalus75
on September 30, 2003
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Yo! Crotalus75
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Hey Dude, We Noticed that you've had a bitch n' moan about the survey....But also notice that you haven't given a response to the question since it was posted up. - Why not ??
If you'd like to see new / different facts and tips, then request 'em to the webmaster, or, if you have any handy tips and advice that we should know about, send 'em in. The SHHS website is one of the best I've found to date, and how else do you find out what other Herp Keepers think - however trivial the response may seem to some? You will find that no two keepers are identical, and therefore their views and experience differs too. Crikey!, if we all shared the same values n' opinions then there would be no point getting up in the morning - would there?... Life is just one big learning adventure, so sit back, loosen up a little, and enjoy the ride - we ain't here for long and life's just too short. I shall now climb back down from my soapbox...would the next speaker please stand up...
Posted by
BanffshireBushman
on September 30, 2003
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This is a tiresome survey
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This survey sucks and it reaks of elitist trick question. I am tired of looking at it everytime I log on to this otherwise great site. Besides, there are alot of ignorant and/or rehash responses being posted here (as is the case after most of these surveys, same crap responses different format). Opinions are like A$$ holes, everybody has one. I would rather read about venomous reptile FACTS, like taxonomy or biochemistry breakthroughs or husbandry and safety tips.
Posted by
Crotalus75
on September 28, 2003
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hoip chiggs
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Sure, I would keep my venomous snakes. Hey if someone is stupid enough to get bitten, that's their problem. My snakes is my family. My family is my snakes. We handle each other, we're on the same stick. Get more feelins from reptiles than human beans. Dem humans are troublesome. Quarrelsome. Fearsome. Would rather suffer venom envenomation that mental, verbal abuse, rape & murder, robbery arson etc. The bum who gets bitten should be grateful that he's feeling the inner spirit of the snake.
Posted by
lyre
on September 25, 2003
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Absolutely Not!!!
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If with all the precautions and extra safety measures;(Caging,secure hot room,trapboxes,locks and more locks,etc.)I take- if this scenario were still to happen by all means I would not continue keeping venomous. Later,Todd
Posted by
RepFan
on September 20, 2003
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another gets bit by a escapee of mine
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I would in all probablility continue keeping them bt for such a major breech of proceedure to have happened a basic keeping flaw existed that must be fixed and perhaps a closer evaluation of the worthiness of me as a keeper
Barry
Posted by
cressm3
on September 15, 2003
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Typical, just typical...
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Ever had one of those days when it all goes RIGHT, and there's no-one around to see it happen ?
Oh, and why is it, that when things do go wrong, there's always someone around to notice it ?
Posted by
BanffshireBushman
on September 14, 2003
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Banffshirebushman
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It's alright Banffshirebushman, I picked right up on your joke and even laughed at it. I have tried before to get folks to pick up on the dry sense of humor, but it doesn't always work. Sometimes you have to put a "That was a joke" disclaimer at the bottom of your message.
~CH
Posted by
Chris_Harper
on September 9, 2003
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deffanitly not
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if a dog got out and hurt someone then the owner of that dog should get the him/her put down and then it wont happen again
thanks for you time reading this . sammy dee
posted by sammy dee on september 7 2003
Posted by
danieltkd2
on September 6, 2003
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FREE TO GOOD HOME
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FREE TO GOOD HOME:
SENSE OF HUMOR, TO ANYONE WHO NEEDS IT. (I CAN THINK OF A HELLAVA LOT on here who do...
Yeah, ok we all need to take our hobby/lifestyle serious regarding "hot" reptiles, but do any of you guys actually have a life outside it? You all seem TOO wrapped up in your work, that your sense of humor seems to have taken a bite on the ass.
I offer no apollogies to those that I offend. All I can say is "stay devoted, but for gawds sake LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE..."
P.S F.A.O "The master".. CHRIS HARPER, pleez give some of your members, a well deserved slap upside the head with a soggy lettuce on my behalf...Thank you.
Posted by
BanffshireBushman
on September 1, 2003
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It all depends
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First off I think this is an impossible scenario. After reading this survey I went down stairs and looked everything over several times (I do this regularly anyway). For an animal to escape I would have to have done something wrong and I have become so accustomed to good keeping practices that it is almost second nature. However if this did play out the way you state it, I would have to evaluate the entire situation. I would I am sure feel very terrible about the accident, but not necessarily guilty. Someone would have had to enter a room that is locked and opened cages that are locked. All of my family members know what animals I have and also how to handle them, but have been taught not to. I am the only one who handles any of the venomous animals in my collection. That being said I am sure if such an accident happened that the local authorities would immediately pass a law banning the keeping of at the very hot animals and probably all snakes. I am also sure that they would be at my house to ensure that all the animals were removed and because of this action I would then be forced to get rid of my animals and not by my choosing. Accidents of this nature usually cause laws banning these animals as pets or even for other uses. I would like to think that as this all played out someone like me would attempt to convince the local politicians of their over reaction. I have gone to many cities and worked very hard to educate the politicians there about snakes and show them that they are not evil critters that hunt and attack humans with a desire to kill us. (this seems to be the view that antiherp people have) Lets hope that through responsible keeping this scenario never plays out. These accidents always have an affect on all of us in the field of reptiles.
george gunther
Posted by
vettesherps
on August 30, 2003
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KEEP OR NOT TO KEEP
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KEEP!! THAT IS IF I WERE SURE THAT ALL SAFETY PRECAUTIONS AND BEEN MET, AND THAT I WAS IN NO WAY RESPONSIBLE DUE TO NEGLAGENCE.
IF YOU ALWAYS PRACTICE SAFE HANDLING, AND CAPTURING HABITS, AND ALL ENCLOSURES ARE CLEAN, SECURE, AND UP TO THE STANDARDS OF THE HERPATALOGISTS SOCIETY, THEN AS WITH ANY OTHER FIELD, CERTAIN RISKS WILL APPLY, AND THE BEST YOU CAN DUE, IS FOLLOW ALL SAFTEY MEASURES AT ALL TIMES. THIS LESSONS THE CHANCE OF FORGETTING, OR OVER LOOKING ANYTHING CONSIDERABLEY. BAD HABITS ARE HARD TO BREAK, THE SAME IS TRUE FOR GOOD HABITS.
Posted by
dlundbom
on August 28, 2003
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Yes... but..
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If someone in my familie was to be bitten I'd continue to keep hots.
We have discussed these situations over and over and my girlfriend and I know exactly what to do in case of a snakebite incdent.
(Besides, my Hot-room is completely escape free (not at the moment), but there are only non vens in there for now)
If my neigbours would encounter a "free" snake and be bitten I would seriously consider moving, I can't live without snakes, but I do feel responsible for the people around me..
Posted by
Snakeskin
on August 27, 2003
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Unthinkable!!!
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It is almost impossible for me to conceive of a situation where one of my snakes and one of my family could come into contact with one another.
Anyone keeping a venomous snake that COULD get out and do harm, should NOT be keeping the animal in the first place!
The first tenet of keeping venomous reptiles should be escape-proof cages!
For one of my venomous snakes to get close enough to a family member for them to be bitten, they would have to get into the cage (on purpose) in my absence. If that actually happened, and they got bit, I would continue to keep my snakes.
The continued relationship of the family member would be under review!
When people who do not live with me come to visit, my snake room is kept locked even though my venomous cages are already locked.
You cannot be too careful when it comes to preventing envenomation. You may not get a second chance!
Just my opinion and only speaking for me and my household,
Karl H. Betz
Posted by
Buzztail1
on August 25, 2003
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ElapidKing81's Beautiful Mind
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That's great deductive reasoning Elapidking81. Reminds me of the guy in "A Beautiful Mind" that finally realized the man and girl weren't real because she never got older. Even though he was crazy he figured it out. Everyone should be reasoning this out the same way. If you have a family member get bitten, then you can deduce that you aren't qualified to own venomous reptiles. If you don't see it that way, you're selfish and not being honest with yourself. Following herp room protocols to the letter avoids this kind of foul-up. Don't cut corners and don't break rules. Period.
~CH
Posted by
Chris_Harper
on August 25, 2003
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100% Agree with Filthy
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As always on point. We missed ya man, glad to see ya back gimme a call sometime,
Jared Watts
Posted by
jared
on August 24, 2003
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To any responsible keeper, this scenerio is unthinkable.
When guests are present, the snakes stay safely locked up. The family present should be well imformed, and when cage chores, ect. are performed, they stay well out of the way.
An escape? This happens when the keeper is not paying attention. With hot snakes, you NEED to pay attention at all times.
f
Posted by
filthy
on August 24, 2003
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How could you?
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If this is even the remotest possibility, get out now. Please.
Posted by
crocodylis
on August 23, 2003
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All Depends on exactly "WHO" gets bit...
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I mean, if it was the Mother in Law, then I dunno. Venomous snakes ARE meant to keep the local vermin situation under-control after all, aren't they ??
Posted by
BanffshireBushman
on August 23, 2003
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i don't quite know
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i don't own any but hope to later in my life but this could be catagorized in 2 ways if i have children and 1 snake got out and did not know were it is and my child got bitten then probaly i would get less dagerous animals. but if i had no cildren and 1 got out and bit me then it would prove that i made a mistake and it was my fault not the snakes. Reptiguy!
Posted by
reptiguy03
on August 23, 2003
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absolutly not
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if a member of my family got bit ,yes i would stop keeping cause if i was stupid enought to let that happen than there is no way i could keep them
Posted by
elapidking81
on August 23, 2003
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this could go 2 directions
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If a snake were to get out, that could mean something along the lines or improper caging or carelessness, which in my eyes more time would be needed working with less dangerous animals. Which is why i chose the first one.
However, there are mistakes that sometimes no one would realize. I once watched a spectacled cobra squeeze right inbetween the glass of one of my vision cages. No one knew he was too thin for that cage. Luckly I was there to see it, otherwise that would be a problem. In a case similiar to that, I dont think there should be anything holding you back from continuing with venomous reptiles.
Chris Foley
Posted by
CFoley
on August 21, 2003
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