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by JHarrison on February 10, 2005
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I just looked at the picture in timberrattlesnake89's profile. Holy cow.
The adult involved in that situation could be charged with child endangerment for placing a minor in a dangerous situation. Parents/guardians/adults of any kind are supposed to protect children from danger, not place them in it. By the way, a parent can not give permission for a child to be in a dangerous situation. If the parent gave permission, they could be charged too.
This is a perfect example of why bans are occuring. I can see why states like mine have banned dangerous animals. Photos like this make me cringe, and I like cobras. Imagine what a typical lawmaker or layperson would think. There is no reason for a minor to be handling a venomous snake for the camera.
As far as bush_viper17's statement about learning- this was not a good lesson anyway. There is not enough working space for so large a snake, the tail is too high- enabling the snake to use the hook as a fulcrum to come around, and too many people are present in such a small area- at least four including the cameraman. Was antivenom available? That's a rhetorical question because I highly doubt it was. Why not just use a big nasty coachwhip? Lastly, if it was a learning experience, why take a picture and then post it on the internet?
Imagine the headlines: Child killed by king cobra in owner's home- Was learning to handle snake.
Just the type of publicity our hobby needs.
To the children involved: true herpetologists don't show off, they do their jobs. You don't see Harry Greene or Dave Hardy posting pictures of themselves tailing large snakes on these sites. Why? Because they have no need to show off. Bide your time, get your education, and become great herpetologists. I have seen too many people get hurt imitating what they see on tv, and I don't want to see any more. Its especially bad to see adults promoting such reckless and poor handling techniques.
Most of the people on this site promote good handling and husbandry techniques. Listen to them, not to the idiots who say its ok for children to handle venomous snakes.
Jim Harrison
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Anonymous post on February 10, 2005
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The place that is letting them handle the O. Hannah is Underground Reptiles in South Florida. Supposely, you need to sign a waiver but I know they do require you to be 18yrs of age since that is one of the requirements to obtain your FL Venomous permit. Plus you need to do the 1000 hrs work and since they are from GA, there was no need for that at all.
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by stopgetinpopped on February 10, 2005
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Good on ya Jim,Al....
I was just reading the post and looking at the pics Jim when your post showed up. My points exactly, lack of room, lack of knowledge of the agility of an 8-9 foot King Cobra, That was a potential facial bite, improper handling tecnique, too many people, the wrong attitude, probable lack of antivenom and worst of all.. obvious lack of respect and knowledge of venomous snakes from the person "teaching" the child!
The rattlesnake photo was a prime example of making your handling tecnique up as you go along..
Hey you two kids and others that read all of these. The people here are all about sharing this wonderful hobby with the next generation, simply, the two of you are and have been going about this all the wrong ways! You need to Listen first, Learn second and experience a lifelong fascinating hobby/career.
This is an art of perfection...and at the ripe old age of 15 and 17 you have not yet learned to crawl let alone dance in this hobby. That goes for alot of the other adults on this and other sites as well. People moving from a sidewinder to and eyelash viper to a gaboon and then a King Cobra to Mambas and Taipans all in a matter of a few months....sometimes they do it in the reverse order!...
Do you all remember Chance? Thats what he did, start with Taipans until one scared the crap out of him and he got rid of them and bought a bunch of pythons. There is a proper stepping stone towards the goal of a long a rewarding hobby/career and it includes learning first, experiencing second!
Terry Phillip
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by tj on February 10, 2005
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You have got to be kidding me????Who is the knitwitt in the picture with him allowing this to happen? And we wonder why hots are getting banned, well actually, I don't wonder.
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Anonymous post on February 10, 2005
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The knitwit in the photo with Timberrattlesnake is the owner of Underground Reptiles.
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by bush_viper17 on February 10, 2005
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I knew JRHarrison was going to respond. Im not mad, it was expected. You know everything. Make way for the king.
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by MattHarris on February 10, 2005
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I find it amusing how many people feel that they have to 'say cheese' for the cameraman while posing with a venomous snake. This shows clearly, that they are posing , simply for the 'how cool am I' factor. I just don't get why people have this fascination with this type of picture. I prefer to take pics of herps without anyone in the picture, because the focus should be the snake, not the twit holding it.
If I were Timberrattlesnake89, my focus would be watching that snake's head (which I sure as Sh!T would have on a longer hook) because right where its at, it could easily wrap around and tag him on the arm. Any doubts about this??....call George Van Horn!
Matt
www.matabuey.com.
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by bush_viper17 on February 10, 2005
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how did you get that it was an 8 or 9 foot king cobra.........it was over ten actually. I learned alot that day. Ive always wanted to work with a king cobra and guess what. I sure as hell did. Everyone seems boring here. Im not going to sit back and just dream of doing something. Im going to go out and do it. Why wouldnt I? I wanted to learn as much as possible and I wanted mine first. Thats just the way it goes. Maybe I am young, but I know I want change.
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by MattHarris on February 10, 2005
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Listen to what Jim is saying. He's got your best interests and safety in mind, not to mention the future of the hobby (or profession for many of you).
Matt
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