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Poaching Outside Park Land? How?
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by ALA_herp31 on August 3, 2005
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Tell me how taking a Snake (or any other Herp for that mater) from outside a Park is Illegal? If the Animal is not Protected by Law, you should be able to collect it “should you not”? Now, I do a lot of Herping outside our local State Parks and I also do a lot of Herping on Management Land. If the area is not under Park Laws or the Animal is not Protected by State or Federal Laws, it should be Free Game “wouldn’t you think”? It is funny that you cant collect Animals that are not Protected by Law on Free Range Land. I see no way They can touch you without proof that the Animal came from Park Land. If the Animal strays across Park Boundaries, I see nothing that gives them Right to take it from you. Remember, the Animal is only Protected if it stays on Park Land. It just goes to prove, that They abuse Their Power “They Make Their Own Laws”.....................................Be safe ya’ll, happy herping Wally
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by Cro on August 3, 2005
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The discussion was about Snakes in Georgia, near the Okefenokee Swamp. In Georgia, all Non-Venomous Snakes are protected, and illegal to collect, wether inside a park or outside of a park, without a Collection Permit from the Department of Natural Resources. In Georgia, Venomous Snakes are not protected. JohnZ
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by ALA_herp31 on August 3, 2005
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Thanks for clearing that up John, I appreciate it. I am truly glad that AL State Laws are not so strict. Are Non-Venomous that Rare in the State of GA?...................Be safe ya’ll, happy herping Wally
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by Cro on August 3, 2005
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Non-Venomous Snakes in Georgia have very healthy populations. The Law was passed in the late 1970`s, largly due to the efforts of two individuals. One was an Assistant Curator of Reptiles at Atlanta Zoo, ( who was later fired ), and one was a young, very inexperienced Biologist with DNR who was assigned to do a survey of Rare and Endangered Plants and Animals of Georgia. A large part of the law was aimed at preventing pet shops from selling native reptiles, but in doing so, it also kept individuals who wanted to collect animals from legally owning them.
The Georgia Herpetological Society fought against the passage of the Law, as did all the other members of the Reptile Department of the Atlanta Zoo. Unfortunatly, the two individuals involved were able to get the interest of several State Legislature folks, and push the Law through. Later on, a lot of the `Scientific Statistics` that they used to justify the suggestions in their report were proven to be false, but it was too late, as the Law was allready passed. But, that is often what happens in State Laws. A small number of people are often successfull at passing restrictive Laws that have an effect on the whole population of the State.
The Venomous Snakes were not protected, due to the popularity of Rattle Snake Roundups in South Georgia. JohnZ
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by Buzztail1 on August 3, 2005
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I am leaving this anonymous post in the hopes that the law enforcement officials that frequent this site can track down this individual.
It is one thing to post anonymously and put up frivolous information. It is quite another to incite others to break the law and readily and openly proclaim that you have done so for years.
I hope they catch you.
Karl H. Betz
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by fizzbob7 on August 3, 2005
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the sad thing is, anonymous is correct.....i hear people bragging all the time about illegal hunting, although it usually involves shooting and killing something out of season or with an illegal firearm, or even spotlighting, but tons of people do it......the feds had rather harrass people that keep hots than "good ole boys" who illegally catch/kill animals
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Anonymous post on August 4, 2005
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Thank you Fizz. Now, I am not trying to brag by no means. I just dont draw attention to myself if I catch something nice to keep, or if I am on govt property or National Parks/ Forrest. I am sorry, but noone is going to tell me what I can keep and what I cannot keep. For the most part, the DNR and others in my area could care less about snakes or there proper mgt of them in the wild. There are so many laws regarding reptiles that are not enforced. LIke I said, keep your mouth shut, no attention to ones self. Just blend in with everyone else who may be visiting a place, or just get away from the crowd. By the way Karl, I am a retired military man myself. Believe it or not, I do things by the book also. But when it comes to this isssue, we see it differently. The DNR could care less about these animals. They just dont have a good reason for private keepers to keep them. Come on Karl, are you telling me that you never had to go to a place in the military and blend in with the locals. Dress like them, speak there language?? My point is this. As long as no attention is drawn to yourself or your hobby, then there should be no troubles.
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by keyz on August 4, 2005
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Well its official there really are true idiots that can read and write, We dont have to put up with people like this over here as most seem to have evolved into something resembeling a human with an IQ over 25. Oh and i happen to live in an army town/garrison and i cant blend in with them as they have no compassion towards anything much. This isnt a dig at the army just telling you that soldiers are different people altogether. And that state laws and parks are a valuable resource so why is it you have to hunt/herp in these places. Try buying a reptile like most of us are more than happy to do and dont worrie they WILL catch him or he will take a hit and suffer in silence such a shame.
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by bush_viper17 on August 4, 2005
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I am glad Georgias laws are the way they are because even if they dont protect the snakes from being killed by homeowners etc. it does protect them from being used for their skins and in roundups etc.While GA's native non vens are being protected, the native venomous are slaughtered relentlessly(I think) in roundups every year(Im not sure if the round ups still go own or if they are still as popular as they were in GA)
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by bush_viper17 on August 4, 2005
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Everyone tells me "Oh, DNR doesnt care if you have or kill non venomous snakes" but not too long ago my friend had a rattlesnake at my house in a temperary enclosure before its release. DNR always drives up and down the road in front of my house because I live about a quarter of a mile from the boundary of a National Forest. They happened to stop by one day when we had the rattlesnake. They looked at it for a while and said,"You dont have any non"poisonous" snakes native to this state do you? I said no and then he continued to tell me about the law(even though I already knew it) He was a nice guy but I could tell that he wouldnt hesitate to take action if he even thought that we were breaking the law. And yes, DNR does care. They always do snake education days at the local state park. They actually had a program about 3 weeks ago dealing with snakes and it was in the new paper. It seems as if my town is becoming more snake friendly. But all in all, I think DNR take their job very seriously. The only thing that DNR did that I didnt like so far was an incident that happened early this spring. My friend and I were driving in the park and noticed about 3 deer off to the side of the road. We got out to get a closer look and I guess someone saw us and turned us in. The next day we were up their and DNR pulled us over and told us that he had a report of us chasing deer with Rambo knives.(I have no idea how that story came about....seriously) But in the end we got a ticket, so yes, they will push it to the extreme if you break the law on National land.
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