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by Venomjunkie on August 4, 2006
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can anyone tell me which is generally the larger sex of each genus of snakes listed below?
Crotalus
Naja
Bitis
Agkistrodon (especially coppers and cottons)
i know that females tend to be the larger sex in constrictors, but i havent really researched this when it comes to hots. thanks in advance for any info!
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by Cro on August 5, 2006
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Dylan, In General, Female Crotalus are Larger by about 10%, but this does not apply too all Species.
In Coral Snakes, the Females are Larger by up to 30%.
In Agkistrodon, the Males are usually Larger.
Hope this helps. Best Regards JohnZ
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by AquaHerp on August 5, 2006
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Actually the Crotalus see the males being the larger of the two by a significant measure. The sidewinder and a sprinkled few montane species being the exception.
The Elapids will see the Females being the larger of the two...again, not always. Nothing is "solid" in nature.
For Agkistrodon, I am guessing that you mean the Copperhead and Cottonmouth, as I have no clue as to what "coppers and cottons" are. If you mean the former two, them for Christ's sake just say it properly. I keep seeing this and it really eats away at me. What is it? Are people just "too cool" to use the entire name for an animal, are they just too busy with their herp lives to be bothered to say it correctly? Do they deal with so many thousands of them a day that they need to abbreviate it to save time? Do they think it sounds cool? Damn man, just give the animal the respect it's due and use the proper name. Certainly I can’t be the only one this gnaws at? CopperHEAD…CottonMOUTH..is that so hard people? Geeze, it just sounds like a bunch of kids standing around with skateboards tucked under their arms drinking Mountain Dew and trying to sound extreme. It's a “copperhead“, give it some respect.
K, I'm all done with my medication induced rant of the day. (Not ranting on anyONE in particular, just the situation...nothing personal.)
Oh...the males are larger by the way.
DH
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by Venomjunkie on August 5, 2006
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thanks for the info guys. but does anyone know the larger sex of the snakes in the genus Bitis?
and aquaherp im sorry if i offended you with my shortening of the snakes proper names. i just figured that people on here would understand what i was talking about either way, which apparrently they (and you) did because my question was answered.
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by rickyduckworth on August 5, 2006
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hey, aquaherp, you are a total hypocrite and here is why:
instead of using your real name for this forum, you are using a NICKNAME, same way that copper is short for copperhead and cotton short for cottonmouth...maybe he figures that people have enough sense on this overly mature board to figure it out.....
so when you start going by your real name so as not to demgrade yourself, then you let me know and i'll come up with something else.......
or hell, why not take it a step further and demand the scientific name? words are here ONLY to convey a message and the message he conveyed is the same whether he uses cotton or agkistrodon contortrix.......
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by Cro on August 5, 2006
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Dylan, Doug is right about the males being larger in most Crotalus. One exception would be the Sidewinder, Crotalus cerastes, in which the females get larger than the males.
What I was trying to say was, that in adult rattlesnakes of the same length, the females will be heavier-bodied than the males, but overall, the males reach a longer length in Most Species.
That will teach me to attmept to use the internet after a four day hepring trip to the Okeefenokee and Applachicola areas, especially after a 7 hour drive home in 100 degree weather!
As far as what Doug said about the use of nicknames like ``coppers and cottons,`` I agree 100% !!!
Say it properly! You do not have to use Scientific Names, but at least use correct Common Names. So many people are LAZY these days, they want to cut corners and shorten things. Try to learn to spell the common names correctly also!
This is a Scientific Website, and should be treated as such. We have readers from all over the world who would not understand the Slang terms that are often used by site members. Many of them are trying to learn English as a second language, and it is difficult enough without slang terms being introduced.
What sets this website apart from many others is that it is used by some of the best reptile and amphibian folks out there.
Terms like ``coppers`` and ``cottons`` and ``clambusters`` and ``chunkheads`` and ``AC`` all have their use when a bunch of herpers are sitting around sharing stories, or field collecting, or at a reptile show, but not on a Professional Website whose purpose it to educate! Thankfully, the stupid term ``herptile`` seems to have become extinct except among the most turtle brained folks.
Young members who hope to advance in this field would help themselves by learning the correct usage. This will help them when they start dealing with High School Instructors and College Professors and people that might have a lot of influence as to the types of jobes that these young people will eventually find. Some day you might be writing in Scientific Journals where profesional usage is essential. It is good to start that habit early. At 15 years old, you are only three or four short years from dealing with the professionals who will be hiring you, or reccomending you for placement in graduate school. Just as Doug stated, I am not directing this at Dylan, or anyone in particular, as everyone tends to get sloppy at times, and slang terms are very commonly used. I would just like to see the younger members of the site develope good scientific usage, as it is much harder to break bad habits than to learn to use the correct usage in the first place.
Ricky is just wrong. Doug is not a hypocrite, as everyone at this site uses a nickname, which has nothing to do with the proper or improper use of names for animals we are talking about in the Experts Forum.
If Ricky is not able to understand that, and all that he cares about is conveying a message, no matter how poorly it is conveyed, then perhaps he should find a different site or start his own.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Cro on August 5, 2006
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Dylan, in Bitis, the Females tend to get larger than the Males.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by AquaHerp on August 5, 2006
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Sure, Mr. Duckworth. Sorry that “Aquaherp” offended you. The name comes from my handle I was given as my user-title for computer access at the San Antonio Zoo as I over saw both the Aquarium and the Reptile Departments (blame the IT department at San Antonio, not me)and I just carried it over as a general internet handle. Normally I always sign my full name and title at the bottom of all of my postings. As well, I fill out my profile. If that's not enough for you, then you have my sincere apologies for your not being able to wrap your mind around that. That's something you'll have to deal with on your own terms.
My gripe comes with the deliberate shortening of the animals names almost in a "slang" way or some new-age way that to me is not giving credit to a spectacular animal that I simply cannot see hacking away at it in an almost disrespectful way. It is, though, simply my person opinion on it. A pet-peeve if you will.
It's not meant to be a cheap shot at anyone in particular, just a general comment about the seemingly more common use of the degrading of the animal's name.
And yes, actually I would prefer the scientific name be used if it is a question or comment directed towards a specific species of animal thank you very much.
Exactly how does that make me a hypocrite again? I guess I am a little confused.
Doug Hotle
General Curator
Abilene ZOOlogical Gardens
Abilene, Texas
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