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by Buzztail1 on November 17, 2006
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Today newspapers and TV news channels are picking up on the Humane Society of the United States' call to ban the possession of exotic animals, including snakes, in Indiana.
The recent Green Mamba bite is the catalyst for this call and publicity.
Fortunately, Indiana has a permit system in place and the DNR says that they are not considering a ban.
People often post on this forumn that what they do is their own business and that we have no place telling them how to keep their animals or to have an opinion on what they get or how they get it. The fact of the matter is that when something like this happens we are all looked at and all effected.
This needs to be a wakeup call to all of us. Go into your herp room, living room, bedroom, etc (wherever you are maintaining your animals) and ask yourself "What if the news came in with their cameras right now?" "What if (insert person whose opinion you value here) came by to see my animals right now?" If you can't keep your animals properly, you should consider cutting back to the amount that you can keep properly. This may mean getting rid of all of your animals for the time being. I had to get rid of all of my venomous snakes on two ocassions, so far. Once I moved into government housing which had rules that said "no snakes" and recently I was stationed away from home and living in "the barracks" (a communal living quarters for the military). I survived! Now I am rebuilding my small collection of native Georgia venomous that I use for my school presentations.
BE CAREFUL.
Don't be the next example that HSUS uses to end our ability to keep venomous reptiles. Each and every one of us is an ambassador for our community.
Karl H. Betz
Buzztail1@hotmail.com
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by hoyta on November 17, 2006
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ok, ban rabbit, and save all his posts! LOL
this sucks... its like they don't have anything else to report on
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by tj on November 17, 2006
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People just don't understand that the HSUS plays a key role in banning reptiles. People also don't understand that they play a key role in banning reptiles.
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by thedude on November 17, 2006
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I normally don't post but.... there is a reason why this forum is called "Ask the Experts". This guy asked and did not like or respect any of the truthful answers. Now we find out he got tagged and his animals were illegal and in horrible condition to boot! Is anyone else not surprised at this? The only thing I am surprised about was this guy is almost 50! At that age he should know better! Hope this incident goes away quietly with reguards to the legal keeping of Hots. It will be interesting to see what happens to this guy legal-wise.
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by tj on November 17, 2006
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Nothing will happen to him legal wise, small fine, nothing more. Unless he was keeping endangered species, then it'll be a hefty fine.
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by GREGLONGHURST on November 17, 2006
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I have been telling everybody who will listen for more years than I care to think about that the HSUS will not be happy until there are no pets save dogs, cats, & canaries. Then they will go to work making those impossible to keep. They are no more friends to us than is PETA.
I am not surprised at the bite, but I am greatly disappointed by the maltreatment of the snakes. Michael seemed from his posts to be a man of intellect. Certainly smarter than to feed mealworms to rattlesnakes.
I would be surprised if he ever posts here again.
~~Greg~~
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by Phobos on November 17, 2006
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This has been brewing for years now and just picking up steam with this disaster in Indiana. What did Thomas E. report to us (SHHS) at the meeting 2004 or 2005 in SC? Who remembers? He gave a talk at the AZA's annual meeting about Hot Herps in the private community. What was there two biggest grips against US? 1) Almost no one keeps stocks of A/V for the species they keep. 2) Poor captive care and high mortality of privately owned Herps. Over the past two years PETA & USHS has been working with lawmakers inacting ban after ban. Wake-UP CALL!! If we don't organize and do something fast to show this hobby can be done safely with proper husbantry.
We also need to deal with dangers to our Herp community and the greater community at large by not giving wackos the time of day. I don't waste my time with people like the "Rabbit" anymore because they don't listen and end up bad mouthing the SHHS and it's members anyway.
I renew my call (I suggested this right after hearing Thomas's talk but it when no where) for the SHHS to set a written list of husbantry & safety standards and have a "Certification" process, sort of what a AZA facility goes through. No, not every standard could be met by AZA terms but we need to start somewhere and we need to start NOW. Time for action is short...
Al
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by Rob_Carmichael on November 17, 2006
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Al, I'm behind you 100%. One of the key elements w/the structure of this organization is to get the key parties involved (state DNR's, USFWS, perhaps Dept of Ag., state representatives, hobbyists, professional herp folks, etc.). This process will take a lot of time and that is limiting factor but it's something we'll all have to bite the bullet on. Sounds like a meeting may be in order (I'll host it!).
Lets keep this rolling.
Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
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by DougW on November 17, 2006
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Al. I will help you in this process anyway I can, I allmost never post here anymore because of some peoples inability to accept advice and to listen to others, and the general lack of respect here. I realise It will be a long and hard process but I am more than willing to put in my time for something like this. I live in Ky for the moment where they banned exotic hots a few years back, however I was able to keep what I allready owned but am never allowed to breed them or obtain new animals, I would like to help prevent this in other states in anyway I can. Email me if you need me to help in any of this.
Kind Regards,
Doug Williams
azemiops69 at hotmail.com
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by FLVenom911 on November 17, 2006
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Something needs to be done....and done fast. All this started over some nitwit keeper who had no business keeping venomous reptiles, let alone a python. One foolish mistake and it is all over the US news reports. If this happened in another state that was unregulated, I am sure there would be a ban now. Time to get it together folks.
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