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by theemojohnm on September 21, 2008
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Alpha,
Leave it to you to make such a remark.
You would say that...
Your REPUTAION is "in serious danger" for spreading you ignorance here.
Whether or not that snake has a shot at an effective envenomation (which it DOES have a decent shot at, in a bite to the face), coral bites should not be taken lightly.
I too have seen some nasty corals, temprement-wise, however most of which I've seen are pretty mild, as this one obviously was.
But alot of peoples bites stories with corals (posted on forums such as this from time to time), ussually involve people herping, comming across a coral, handling it as they feel the snake is docile enough or SMALL enough to do this.
There are small, shy snakes for the most part, and could probably "sneak" a small bite actually going unnoticed for a few seconds.
I came across such a stort recently, although I do not remeber where. I will try to find it.
Take Care.
~John.
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by LadyBloodRose on September 22, 2008
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ya know speakin of the size refrence, i have a pai of neo cali kings about teh size of the coral in the picture. An they do draw blood when they bite. so stands to reason that a coral neo that small would still be able to bite an break skin.
Chandler (alpha) i gota agree that was prety stupid a thing to say darlin.
For those who don't know what coral snake venom actualy does let me give a rundown...
"coral snakes have short fangs (proteroglyph dentition) that cannot penetrate thick leather clothing. Any skin penetration, however, is a medical emergency that requires immediate attention. Coral snakes have a powerful neurotoxin that paralyzes the breathing muscles; mechanical or artificial respiration, along with large doses of antivenom, are often required to save a victim's life. There is usually only mild pain associated with a bite, but breathing difficulties and ptosis can occur within hours."
It doesn't help either that Wyeth has stoped production of antivenom for coral snakebites, an it is estimated that the last supplies in the us will be exhausted by this october from what I have read. However anouther company is suposedly going to take up making an antivenom for the bite.
"Victims of Eastern and Texas Coral Snake envenomation will no longer be able to be treated by antivenom. The consequences of this radically changes the way Coral Snake envenomation is treated.
Victims of Eastern and Texas Coral snakebite should be transported as soon as possible to a tertiary level hospital which can provide constant monitoring of neurological and respiratory symptoms for 24 hours or more and if these symptoms occur be ready and able to sedate, endotracheally intubate and mechanically ventilate such patients for up to a week or until neurological and respiratory paralysis resolves. To the list of neurological symptoms patients must also be evaluated by serially (and frequent)testing of NIF (Negative Inspiratory Force) and arterial blood gases. The most dangerous sequelae of Texan or Eastern Coral Snakebite is bulbar respiratory paralysis. Fortunately this does not occur for anywhere from several to as long as 24 hours after being bitten so this provides sufficient time to transport and evaluate such patients. However, the fact that the worst effects of this snakebite take so long to occur means that such patients must be kept under conditions involving continuous eyes-on monitoring of ECG, blood pressure, as well as respiratory evaluation for at least up to two days after being bitten. Some centers may want to consider the elective sedation, intubation and mechanical ventilation of such cases as acting on the side of caution."
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by Buzztail1 on September 22, 2008
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If you look at the curves in the snake, they don't match the way a snake should hang.
It looks like one of the plastic snakes I have seen for sale by the folks from the Reptile World Serpentarium in St Cloud.
That having been said, Coral Snakes are one the snakes about which there is a lot of misinformation spread.
They have no injection capabilities?
Ridiculous! They are related to cobras and mambas and most certainly have a very effective injection mechanism.
There is a "professional" in my area that tells people that coral snakes are rear fanged.
Not at all true. Again, related to cobras and mambas, they have short fixed fangs in the front of their mouth.
I grew up hearing that coral snakes could only bite in the webing between fingers and toes, earlobes, etc.
I actually believed it until I caught one that was about 16 inches long. It was crawling through a neighborhood yard. They called me, I showed up and put a large, clear-plastic, empty pretzel jar in front of it and coaxed it in. Once contained, the snake went berserk! It opened its mouth almost 180 degrees and dragged very capable fangs down the inside of the jar and I watched in amazement at the venom dripping down the plastic.
For those who still don't believe, there is a two-part article right here on the site about one of our members who was bitten in the field by a coral snake:
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/articles/33
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/articles/23
Be careful.
Venomous snakes are not toys.
R/
Karl H. Betz
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by Cro on September 22, 2008
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Terry, the UTube Video of the guy who was bitten when he put the rattlesnake in his mouth can be found at :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZMIx-xAqxs
Also, if you Google search
"rattlesnake bite in mouth"
You will find links to several of the news articles about it.
Best Regards John Z
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by LadyBloodRose on September 22, 2008
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Thanks for posting those 2 articles karl ^_^ I actualy was thinking of trying my hand with a coral snake (trying at keeping them haha) an was considering getting one at the Columbia Show if someone there had any. so I've been looking up any an all reading material that I can.
I had heard the same stories about how they can only bite thin tender areas, never ever belived it always figured that the person tellin me that was an idiot lol.
as for the guy that put the rattler in his mouth like an idiot >.> wasn;t he kin to the guy who owns gladeherps? or somethin like that seems like i had read somewhere about that.
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by Cro on September 22, 2008
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Celeste, you might find two or three Coral Snakes at the Columbia Show, but they usually sell quickly in the first few hours.
Many of the snakes that the dealers bring are badly dehydrated, and have been kept without food for a long time. One that was resently captured is a much better way to go.
Just remember that a Coral Snake you buy in November will have to be fed. You need to have a supply of small snakes and lizards ready to feed it. Also, you will find that some Coral Snakes are picky eaters. They might eat Ground Skinks like candy, and not have anything to do with other lizards. They are also often real picky about what snakes they will eat.
I have kept about 100 Coral Snakes over the years, and was the first person to breed Eastern Corals in captivity. They are one of my favorite snakes. Many keepers have a lot of trouble keeping them alive, however, a few of us have had good success keeping them alive for long periods.
If you search this forum, you will probably find older posts about just how folks have kept them successfully.
As far as temperment, some are mild tempered, but many will bite very readily. Many of them are very nervous. They can open the mouth very wide, and can easily bite a flat surface of skin. The old tales about them having to bite a web of skin, or chew to get the venom in, are just false.
Best Regards John Z
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by LadyBloodRose on September 22, 2008
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yea i am gonabe getting there prety eairly i'm riding with chuck, so he'll have plenty of time to talk me out of it lol.
I've heard that they can be prety difficult to care for but i'm willin to give it a try an put teh time an effort into it. I'll nver know if i can do it till I give it a go thats for sure. Coral's are the only native venomous we have here in Georgia that I've not realy worked with.
I just finsihed reading "Eastern Coral Snake Care Sheet. Micrurus fulvius. By Chris Harper & Greg Longhurst. "
I have quite along list of snakes an what not i wanna check out at the show, so you never know if i will actualy go threw with getting one or if i may by pass it for anouther on my list, espiclay if i don't like the look of the snake i dunno how easy it is to tll dehydration with corals, but some that i;ve seen that are prety bad usualy look alil wrinkeled. Lord knows i've seen enough bp's in that condition :S. Which is kinda sad cuz it can be easily fixed with alota species.
my bf has given me a limit on how much i can take with me lol he knows me well enough to know i'd come back with a lota new snakes haha. so we will have to see what happens i supose ^_^
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by LarryDFishel on September 22, 2008
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Slow downa little guys. While this guy does say several stupid things on this page, I'm pretty sure that at least the last few were intended as a joke. Yeah, he should probably have made that more clear.
I'm also 90% sure that he used to have a link somewhere giving the backstory and explaining that the snake in the picture was dead (which explains the unnatural position.)
Also, the comment here that corals are docile and unlikely to bite is dangerous advice. If left alone, they are very unlikely to bite even if you get close, but many will immediately bite if picked up and I've seen several that would whip around the instant they were touched.
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by LadyBloodRose on September 22, 2008
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they may be intended as a joke, but you know like i do that not all hot keepers are all there upstairs. Someone with lil to no exprence at all with venomous snakes could have gone out an aquired a coral, came across that an took it serriously.
I was always taught that Dead or Not you don't play with it, when it comes to venomous snakes. though if the snake is dead, it shows the guy realy has some issues hangin a deal coral snake on his nose....
it also doesn't help when these anti-snake people (ie PETA etc) see a picture like that. they are not gona care if the snake is dead or alive. What they are gona care about is what they see. An thats a Venomous Snake hanging on a mans nose. - It shows alota irriesponcibility that can be used to further lump those of us who enjoy hot snakes in togeather as rectless, irrational, idiots who would do anything for a funny picture, or take unessicary risks. The fact that also its suposedly an Animal Control . Animal Remoal site/blog doesn't help the general population either, as it looks bad on responcible people who do snake removal etc. as well.
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by Cro on September 22, 2008
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Larry, a dead Coral Snake would explain the kinked position of the animal, and the "just not right" look that it has.
Most of the fake Coral Snakes that I have seen for sale are not painted all that well. The snake in the photo has tiny black spots in the red areas that are fairly random.
The folks in China who are painting those plastic snakes would not take the time to include that much detail.
I looked for back-links also, but did not find any.
When the guy says: " I actively encourage all of my readers to go out and find deadly Coral Snakes and drape them across the face. It's the reasonable thing to do." is probably intended to be sarcastic.
Best Regards John Z
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