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by AquaHerp on May 5, 2010
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Just an FYI,
There is plenty of cobra and copperhead venom out there already so the market is pretty well saturated. I have all of the copperhead subs and the Naja naja venoms sitting in the freezer, some of it for years.
I'm in no way trying to discourage you, it's just that is really isn't a strong market.
DH
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by jparker1167 on May 6, 2010
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great posts everyone.
smokey, harrison said it could be millions of dollars, your 19 and that is not a problem for you?
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by SmokeydaBear on May 7, 2010
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It would be a problem but it would still be feasible. I like your gold rush analogy DH, and there are several things I am working on. For obvious reasons I won't explain them here but if you work in a lab that works with venom you might be interested in my ideas.
Henry Sims
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by venominme on May 7, 2010
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When CroFab was introduced in 2001 it was the first new antivenom to market in North America in fifty years. It was developed in the early eighties by two University of Arizona emergency physicians Finley E. Russell, MD, and John B. Sullivan, MD who witnessed first hand the problems with the Wyeth product. Like you, I presume, they had an idea for a better antivenom. These two sold the research rights to a Nashville pharmaceutical company, called Therapeutic Antibodies (Protherics, Inc.). They went out and hired the best guy they could find, Dr. Richard Dart, MD, PhD, who was head of the Rocky Mountain Poison Control Center, to steer the clinical trials and make the case for FDA approval. (It helped that the Wyeth product was known to vary in potency by up to 300%) Then the rights got sold to Savage Laboratories, a pharmaceutical research company, who developed what we know as CroFab through Protherics, Inc who produced it in sheep at their facility in Wales. Savage (division of E. Foguera) was a division of Nycomed US, a U.S. division of a Swiss pharmaceutical company that bought the division from German super-duper pharmaceutical producer Altana AG.
As you follow the money and history you will see the path from idea to market was full of prestigious practicing medical doctors, international pharmaceutical companies, selling of rights and divisions of companies, distribution companies and a colossal shell game of billionaire companies. CroFab itself, was given FDA approval as an orphan drug, please look that term up on the internet and you will see there are provisions for either fast tracking such a drug or offering tax incentives for such products, where there are special circumstances, such as the market being too small to be profitable. There are some provisions that allow pharmaceutical companies to charge very high prices to make up the small market. The “price” we pay for companies having the incentive to produce the product at all. Good luck, you have opened a real can of colossal worms! But it can be done- master the art of OPM. Other People’s Money! Like they say, build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door. Literally, the world.
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by elapidkeeper on May 10, 2010
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Don't waste your time or get yourself, or your friend killed Smokey. There are already plenty of AV manufacturer's worldwide....milking venomous snakes is extremely dangerous for one and should be left to experienced professionals.The logisitics and science of manufacturing AV as well can only be accomplished with a completely staffed,large laboratory-not 2 amateur herpetologists.
Drew.
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by elapidkeeper on May 10, 2010
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Good luck with that "homemade" antivenom working out for ya venominme,hope you don't actually get any "venominu".
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by elapidkeeper on May 10, 2010
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From Copperheads to Cobras and Kraits---do you want to die...seriously Smokey,kraits?Seriously?
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by SmokeydaBear on May 10, 2010
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I appreciate the concerns, but you really don't understand that I don't care what your concerns are. Did you bother reading the other posts? Please, if you don't have any information to give, then save your criticism. It's not going to be amateur if we have the proper education/training/equipment. You don't have to agree but keep in mind I will be using certain methods I've been developing with a local herpetologist that greatly reduce the chance of being bit. So take your quickly made assumptions and keep them to yourself. Try reading previous posts before splatting out brain diarrhea.
Henry Sims
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by elapidkeeper on May 10, 2010
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If you don't care what my concerns are, you should at LEAST care about the concerns over the preservation of this forum's hobby. Do you even have antivenom? Do you even have experience with venomous snakes? It's people like you doing unsafe things that are a threat to our hobby,why do you think it is gradually becoming banned state by state? Mindless accidents and keepers, that's why!Yes I read your other posts and that is what prompted my response. That being said, this is a public forum and I can voice my opinion and my opinion is this is a ridiculous idea.
Drew.
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by venominme on May 10, 2010
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Thanks for the good luck directed my way, as I pretty much always have “venominme”. Or maybe I should say “antivenominme”, because my body makes that for free everyday. Actually all antivenom is made automatically by the immune system of whatever living mammal has been exposed to venom. It is very uncomplicated to do. Harvesting the IgG and producing a product that is fit for use on humans becomes complicated mainly due to the red tape required. It is a lot. It might even be too much for most people to begin imagining there is any way to get through it. However, too much for Drew doesn’t automatically mean too much for Henry. Truth is, you can do just about anything you really want to do.
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