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by wamain67 on November 8, 2013
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I use trap boxes for my mambas and my forest cobra as they go absolutely bonkers if I try a hook.
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by choppergreg74 on November 8, 2013
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Well to be honest. I like spitters. I use a face shield. I also have a homedepot respirator I waer under the face shield. It also covers my mouth. By breathing in venom droplets over time can cause one to build up allergies to venom. Also venom in the mouth could also cause salmonella. My rinkhals spit like a mist or pepper spray. It is easy to get a breath or mouth full. I use shift cages only for some cobras. But forget vision cages. I do not find them to be 100% escape proof. PM herps has great cages for good prices. Their 4ft shift cage is really good.
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by wamain67 on November 10, 2013
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Breathing in venom droplets will not increase your odds of an allergic reaction over time. That would be like saying the more I eat peanuts or shellfish the more likely I am to eventually develop allergies. It doesn't work that way.
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by choppergreg74 on November 10, 2013
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Im sorry that is not true. And yes people who are not allergic to shrimp and lobster in their young years can become deathly allergic as adults. Ive I was never allergic to dogs or cats when I was younger. I had them for pets. Now I cant even go near cats. Over exposure to venom most certainly can cause one to build up allergic reactions. Ive also had this conversation with my Allergist. He is with N.Y. Eye and Ear. I trust his medical expertise on this.
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by wamartin67 on November 11, 2013
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I have no idea what was said by your doctor but I know from experience that patients often misconstrue what is said. One can develope an allergy to something at any time in their life, regardless of whether they've been exposed to it twice or two thousand times. You developed an allergy to dogs/cats but it's not due to how many times you were exposed to them. Just stop and think about the logic behind what you believe. If it were true we would all be allergic to everything we've been around over our lives.
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by choppergreg74 on November 11, 2013
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First off please fill out your bio properly. Second I never said everyone who is over exposed to certain things becomes allergic to them. I said people can. Each person is different. We do not know what is inside our system. Therefore someone may or may not. Why risk that possibility when one can take precautions. And yes there are studies done about developing allergies to snake venom over time especially African cobra venom. Even people cleaning cages where dried venom is have shown signs of allergy over time. Here is one study google it. Allergeys Unique to Southern Africa. Done at the University of Botswana www.allergy.org/images/Kung_allergens%20%20
If you would like I can provide more.
Getting a cobra and then a few months later having 12 species of cobras does not impress anyone or make anyone an expert. It is actually just the opposite. Owning one species and working with it and studying it for 12 years is far more impressive.
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by wamartin67 on November 12, 2013
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My bio is filled out as completely as yours is so I'm not sure what you're referring too. Yes you can never be too safe so maybe you should live your life in a bubble and avoid every allergen out there. If you're that concerned over developing allergies why only limit it to snake venom? Are you going to suggest that snake venom is somehow more potent an allergen than any other allergen out there?
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by wamain67 on November 12, 2013
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The study you linked does not say that exposure over time increases your chance of an allergic reaction. Specifically in reference to the cobra venom the two individuals developed allergic reactions after being around snakes for many years. We've already agreed that that is a possibility. You can have a reaction after your second exposure or your 5,000th. There is no rhyme,reason, or pattern. The study does not correlate their initial reaction to how many times they were previously exposed previously. What it does say is that after they developed the allergy subsequent exposures increased their sensitivity. You didn't in your initial post if you've already had a reaction. If so then wearing the respirator is definitely advisable, if not then the only benefit is for your peace of mind.
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by wamain67 on November 12, 2013
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Now I see what you're referring to with my bio. My computer at home must have a virus that drops a couple of letters from my screen name wamain67 vs wamartin67 and links to an incomplete bio.
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by choppergreg74 on November 12, 2013
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Please read the article Anaphylaxis and the Venomous Keeper written by Chris Harper and Dr Brian Greig Fry. It is on this website under the Article section.
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