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by Snakeman1982 on January 1, 2004
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Hello Karen,
The most venomous, dangerous, etc... snake is so controversial it is rediculous and people won't agree on it. Most will tell you that the Inland Taipan is the most deadly even though no one ever dies from them. And then that is followed up by the rest of the Australian venomous species because of LD/50 tests, yet only like 3 people a year die in Oz, including the untreated victims. I know a lot of this has to deal with health and modern medicine.
Carpet vipers, black mambas, adders, lanceheads, etc... kill a lot of people each year yet they generally score lower on the LD/50 tests so they aren't considered the most deadly anymore. This isn't meant to upset anyone who agrees with the LD/50 tests because I also believe they play an important role but may be over used as to what actually makes the most deadly snake. Plus there are different ways to measure LD/50 tests and isn't a lot of research being done on it anymore.
A lot of things have to be considered in measuring a snakes harmful capabilities and it just hasn't been done completely yet. Potency, volume amount, and even venom structure all have to be measured. Plus, many snake venoms appear to be prey specific in which they are designed to kill certain prey and less affective towards other animals. Some venoms seem to be designed to kill birds, others, small mammals, or lizards. Yet all the LD/50 tests are based on rats and mice, which are considerably different than humans.
Bothrops insularis (Golden Lancehead) is often said to be five times more venomous than anything else on the South American mainland, drop per drop. I believe the only person that ever lived on the island of Queimada Grande was a light house keeper and he died from a bite from the snake. The Golden Lancehead is very highly toxic and has to be. It feeds almost exclusively on the island's bird populations so it has to kill them fast. If the snake bit the bird and it flew away, it couldn't follow the trail of the bird. So it has to bite and kill it quick so it can get to the bird.
Hope this helps,
Robert Jadin
www.snakeman1982.com
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by grappler on January 1, 2004
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I agree with the snakeman 1982. I will give the Australians this, their treatment is so advanced, even more so than N America, but I can't think of anything that I would want hitting me over a good size Mojave.
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by Fabian on January 1, 2004
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Yes, But I think it has much to do with the health of the people that are bitten. And Africa does not have the health'ist people. Norr does many countrys where the snake bite death toll is high. Health is a very big part along with how avalible the antevenin is. If Africa had good heath, and good accses to the antevenin it would be much lower on the list of snake bite deaths. as for OZ, There have been a few deaths from the inland tiapan, but, few live around were they inhabit. making snake bite from them rare. The snake population on Martigrondia, (How every you spell all these words) "Please for give my spelling". Anyway, is very high. that is becouse no one lives there. Move 1000 people on there and give it a few years and you would not have snake problems. They would all be dead. So there are tons of thing to consider. Sorry again for the spelling.
Fabian
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Anonymous post on January 1, 2004
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That is false. No one has died from the inland taipan.
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by Fabian on January 1, 2004
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Dear Friend,
You need to do your home work. Have you ever been to Rob Bredl web site ? The guy (Kevin Budden) Lost his life getting the first venom sample from the inland taipan. You can Go to Robs web site to find it, It is called : The Strange Story of Taipan Antivenom-
The Kevin Budden Tragedy.
Happy New Years,
Fabian
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by Snakeman1982 on January 1, 2004
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Hey Fabian,
I didn't relize the barefoot bushman had a website. I haven't looked through it all yet but it looks good. Thanks for mentioning it. I found the link to the Kevin Budden Tragedy but it must be broken or something because it isn't coming up.
What year did he die? I ask because I heard that know one has died from the snake in over 20 years.
Robert
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by Chance on January 2, 2004
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Hmm, not sure exactly what happened with this thread, but it's all messed up, and evidently the first part of the thread is no longer even on here. Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, Keith (not Kevin) Budden died from the envenomation of a coastal taipan (Oxyuranus scutellatus), not an inland. He was far from any civilized area when he caught the snake in a garbage dump area and was able to hitch a ride to some town or something with a man and his truck. They made it all the way with Keith holding the taipan by its head, and when they got to the destination, Keith loosened his grip slightly, the snake slipped out of his hand, and bit him. It envenomated, and he subsequently died (as did everyone who were bitten by taipans at that time). They went on to take the taipan into captivity and, along with many others, was used to develop the first taipan specific antivenom, as the tiger snake antivenom which had been previously used didn't work. All this information was taken from The Taipan: The World's Most Dangerous Snake, by Paul Masci and Philip Kendall. I highly recommend this book both for it's amazing pictures and its voluminous content. Wow, and I remembered all this off the top of my head. Amazing how easy it is to remember stuff when you enjoy it, I wish school-related stuff was that easy, lol. Oh, and also if I'm not mistaken, no one in recorded history has been killed by the inland taipan (Oxyuranus microlepidotus), though a few have been bitten (mostly keepers).
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by Fabian on January 2, 2004
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Hey Chance,
No, it was the inland tiapan. And his name was Kevin. Sad, But Great story. He gave his life to save 1000s.
The tiapan died after a week or so. No one know how to care for them in capt. back then.
Fabe
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by stopgetinpopped on January 2, 2004
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Sorry, but Keith Budden was killed by a Coastal Taipan. He was bitten in North Queensland in 1950. The Inland was not officially, accurately identified as Oxyuranus microlepidotus until 1981 by Jeanette Covacevich. It is found in Central and Western Australia, no where near North Queensland. At the time of Keiths bite the Inland Taipan was known by two museum specimens as a type of Brown snake and Black snake (Parademansia microlepidotus)
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