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by agkistrodude on February 21, 2009
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If they'd build them stackable, I might try them, Otherwise I've never had much use for them.They take up too much space, you need a huge rack system to put them on. If they were stackable, you could avoid that.And I don't care for sliding fronts.Maybe they could come up with a couple new designs to chose from. Marty
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by Cro on February 21, 2009
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It will be interesting to see if Neodesha brings back the whole line, because at one time they also made stackable cages, and arboreal cages, in addition to the slant fronts.
I have never liked stacking cages, because Murph's Law will always cause the snake in the bottom cage to totally wreck things, which will require you to move the whole stack to get to it. Also, stackable cages run into problems with overhead ventelation and lighting.
I solve the problem of the cages not stacking by simply putting up a shelf against a wall. Then the cages can be worked without moving them off of the shelf. Sure can save a lot of time when working with a large collection of reptiles.
Right now, I am using a lot of the glass critter cages, which are also on shelves, however, they have to be taken down one at a time, because they are top opening. This takes much more time, and you risk spilling a water bowl while moving them to and from the shelfs. Neodesheas would solve that problem.
Af far as never having seen a Neodosha that was not yellow or brittle, well those are out there, and all are at least 15 years old. Folks who have abused the cages tend to try to sell them off. I have plenty of Neodeshas that are as nice as they were the day they were made 20, 25, even 30 years ago.
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John Z
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by LarryDFishel on February 21, 2009
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Aaron, as John pointed out, the yellowing is caused by sunight exposure. Most of the ones we have, we've had for at least 6 years, and have kept mostly away from direct sunlight. They were all used when we got them and the ones that were yellowed are still yeallowed, but not noticeably worse than they were. The ones that looked new still look new.
Even if I knew they would last no more than about 7-8 years and other cages would last forever, I think I would still buy them, because they are THAT convenient.
Marty, they did make stackable ones. They were heavier (but not as heavy as visions). They had to be to hold the weight of the cages above.
For me there are several advantages to the slide-front Neodeshas.
They were light. For the ones up to at least 36 inches, you can very easily pick them up and take them outside to hose out, which is very convenient when they are really messy. Even the six foot models can be easily moved by one person.
They don't have any nooks and crannies for snakes or crap to hide or water to get tapped (except the litter dam on some, which is minor compared to a vision).
The one-piece sliding front allows you to open he cage with your hand as far as possible from the opening.
Disadvantages:
They don't stack, but if you stacked them you couldn't easily take one out to clean. Also, if you had them stacked next to each other, then you would need a vision-style door, which I hate. To me, the one-time hassle of building shelves for them is well worth the effor to have such convenient cages.
I think the 36 inch cages are too tall for most uses. If they made ones with the same footprint as the 36 inch ones but 1/2-2/3 as high so they didn't take up so much space, I would be just giddy.
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by Cro on February 21, 2009
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Larry, I agree that the 36 inch Neodeshas are a bit too tall. If they were a bit shorter, they would be awesone cages.
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John Z
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by agkistrodude on February 21, 2009
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John, I'm not sure I see your point here.
"I have never liked stacking cages, because Murph's Law will always cause the snake in the bottom cage to totally wreck things, which will require you to move the whole stack to get to it. Also, stackable cages run into problems with overhead ventelation and lighting."
Why would you have to move the whole stack to fix the bottom cage? Just take out the snake and fix the problem. And of course overhead heat/light would cause problems, thats why my cages are ventilated on the rear or sides, and heat/light is overhead, inside the cage.The cages you saw of mine at the Lawrenceville show turned out to be a nightmare for a show, as far as having to move them around. Way too big and heavy to be moving to different shows,I thought I'd try them and it didn't work too well. Live and learn. But they're great for my hot room.I'll use them over a Neodesia any day.Just my opinion, having worked with both. But the same set up could be done with stackables instead of one unit which is what I've used in the past, and I'm working on more of those again. Marty
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by AquaHerp on February 21, 2009
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We have hundreds of the neodesha, many still in the box. In a place like ours they have great application. We set then on a rack system that allows for 20 (24") per rack.
DH
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by Cro on February 21, 2009
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Marty, you must have your snakes trained better than mine, LOL. I have a 5 foot female canebrake that cannot deficate without smearing it all over the walls and top of the cage. I would hate to have to try to clean that up while laying on the floor. It is much easier for me to just take a cage like that outside to the garden hose, and use clorox and a scrunge pad to clean up the mess.
I also do not like working with cages that are near the floor because I can not see all the way into the cage, which I consider a safety problem. If I had stacking cages, I would still have to put them on a shelf at least 18 to 24 inches above the floor for me to be comfortable working with them.
Everyone has their own preferences in caging, just as they do in makes and models of cars they drive.
I did notice that the big cages you brought to the show were difficult to move around. They were good for displaning the animals to the folks attending the show, though. In a fixed location, they should work fine. For a show, using table top cages like Johnny Hester does is probably a better way to go.
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John Z
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by Adamanteus70 on February 21, 2009
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Interesting, about five years ago I was contacted by Neodesha cages and they said they were going to begin manufacturing again. There were two gentlemen who actually met with my wife and I in Daytona at the Expo. They asked about how they could improve the design and I made a few suggestions about thicker plastic, especially around the top where the old style would crack, and larger drilled holes in the glass for padlocks.
I have yet to see them presented for purchase again, so if they do become available, I would be a big cheerleader. I love em, but sometimes they crack and sometimes they turn a brown yellow, but hey, some of my cages are 12-15 years old...but I am still using them today!
I have seen some of the ancient ones that were a teal blue color, and I have seen the stackable long python type cages, all are still around, but with a little wear and tear.
One thing I suggested to them was to make a sliding trap door option for a shift box attachment...maybe they remembered.
Hope to see them in the near future...
Paul
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by Cro on February 21, 2009
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You have some good suggestions Paul.
I always had trouble finding padlocks that would fit those cages. That would seem to be easily solved with a 5/16 hole instead of the 1/4 inch ones. On the largest cages, even a 3/8 inch padlock hole would work.
Because of the vaccume molding process, it will probably be difficult for them to use thicker plastic on the tops, but they could mold a seperate piece and heat melt it into place to reinforce the top rail. That would keep it from sagging and cracking over time.
Kind of the same way they heat melt the edges of the screens.
Another thing I would do is make the substrate dam less tall. They tend to over do the height of that.
Perhaps make it half as tall, and twice as thick for added stringth.
The idea of a optional built in sliding door for adding a switch box is excellent. They had sliding covers over the side vents on some cages for humidity control. The same thing could easily be adapted to a back mounted, or side mounted, switch box.
I know if they bring the Neodesha cages back at a reasonable price, I will be selling a lot of critter cages, LOL.
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John Z
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by agkistrodude on February 22, 2009
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OK, y'all are pretty good salespeople! I'd be willing to give em a try IF they do return, and the price is reasonable. Marty
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