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Ivermectin toxicity in pythons
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by xvenomx on December 31, 2009
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Has anyone had an issue, or know of anyone that has had a problem with ivermectin toxicity in pythons, particularly retics ?
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by pictigaster1 on December 31, 2009
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I have scene it kill a few reptiles.I will use it only as a last resort.The doseing must be exact unlike pancure witch has some leway .
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by SCHLEGELII on December 31, 2009
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All drugs have side effects and they need to be dosed out at the proper dosages. The reptiles also need to be weighed and there doses must be calculated. You need to also use the correct medication to treat the correct parasite, not just "treat with Flagy, because it works".
The proper way to diagnosis and treat your reptiles for a parasites would be to get a fecal to diagnoses the parasite, then dose the medication out based on weight and then recheck a fecal after treatment to confirm there was no resistance to the prescribed medication(s).
Taking short cuts can lead to resistant parasites, spread of parasites through out a collection and dead reptiles.
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by LarryDFishel on December 31, 2009
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As of yet, I have not used Ivermectin, but it is well known to be toxic to many/most animals in doses not that much higher than the recommended dose.
It is used regularly in snakes and as far as I remember is considered "safe" at recommended dosage, but the dose is so small it's easy to screw up.
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by xvenomx on December 31, 2009
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The reason for the question is, I had two retics that acted normally until fed, then both became lethargic, appeared to be partially paralized and subsequently died.(the feedings were several weeks apart)The rabbits they were fed were frozen thawed, and the snakes were not housed together. Both were in excellent shape. Since both snakes appeared to have the same symptoms before their deaths, I asked the rabbit breeder if they had used any pesticides or other chemicals in the breeding area. The only thing that had been used was Ivermectin on the rabbits prior to their sale.
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by AquaHerp on December 31, 2009
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I have used Ivermectin on reticulatus in the past. In high doses, as may have been present in the rabbits, it can be fatal and will cause paresis as you described.
Ivermectin is quite toxic to chelonians and I know of an instance where it was toxic with Langaha.
Sorry about your loss.
DH
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by LarryDFishel on December 31, 2009
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Ah... Used externally for fleas/mites, it's probably used in much higher doses than used internally. I could see that causing a problem.
Unless this breeder specializes in selling them for snake food, I wouldn't necessarily expect him to think of that. I would sure let him know that it might be a problem, but I'm not sure I could "blame" him for it.
Certainly something to think about. I'm sure it's fairly common practice and I had never really considered it before.
How do you thaw your rabbits? I thaw mine in water with several water changes, which might rinse away any residual Ivermectin if my breeder does use it...
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by FSB on January 1, 2010
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Darrell, I'm sorry to hear of your painful experience, but you may have done a great service by sharing it here. I for one will definitely be asking our rabbit supplier if they ever use Ivermectin or other possibly toxic substances to treat their rabbits. I'm sure it would never occur to them that such a practice might harm our snakes.
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