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by rickyduckworth on November 18, 2006
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money is the single most important part of america. stupid people will stay their course. we just have to play their games.
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by ALA_snake33 on November 18, 2006
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Ricky & Andrew: I see what ya’ll mean but, there has to be some method for us to Police our own selves, if the darn Law Makers wont do it. Seems their only idea of Policing the ownership of so called “Dangerous Exotics”, is too totally Ban it.
In my opinion, a set Permitting System, on a Federal Level would be best but, as we all know, getting State Governments to agree on anything, is like trying to Shove Wet Noddles Up A Wild Cats A##. Sometimes I wonder if anything will change the Snake Haters way of thinking.
I do know that most people do not realize, how bad things would be for Pharmaceutical Studies and any other Medical Research that is being done using the Toxins found in Venomous Snakes, if they did pass a Total Ban on the Privet Ownership of Venomous Reptiles. I also don’t think they realize that a lot of the Snakes used in this research are Privately Owned, by your Average Joe.
Well, lets hope some minds can be changed. If not, I do not see this Hobby lasting more than 3 maybe 4 more Years.
Be Safe Ya’ll, Happy Herping : Wally
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You guys seem to get a kick out of badmouthing me
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by rabbitsmcgates on November 18, 2006
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You guys sure do seem to get a kick out of badmouthing me!
As I have asked bullies on here before, just what advice is it that I have ignored? People here harp on that over and over, but when challenged as to what advice that was its revealed that they have nothing to base it on. If I were to say over and over on here that the sun was green would people eventually believe that too? Go ahead, quote what the advice was you gave me that I ignored.
I didn't read much of the posts. Just a few silly things stick out. I don't feed mealworms to rattlesnakes, they don't eat them. Lizards eat mealworms, not snakes. I feed Superworms to a lizard I adopted. See how confused you were? Someone complained about my profile, of all things, that I changed when someone seemed to be feeling the need to bully me around the clock. The only thing of any importance to me was the last category. Many, many people put nothing in their profile at all. Go complain to them.
I cannot stop you from badmouthing me. Little or nothing you believe about me is true. But you are sure having fun kicking me around for no good reason. I've called you bullies before and I'll call you bullies now. Don't you feel justified in your abuse? Would you like to beat me to death now? I cannot stop you, go ahead. If I had been bitten by a Green Mamba a week ago what would I care what you did, I'd be too sick right? So either way, you nail me to your fence and tell each other what a durdy lodoun sconc im bee un yu bee leet. "He never did anything right, he never asked anyone how they take care of their snakes, he never tried to get anyone to help anyone else, he was too serious, he didn't defend anyone else being picked on, he never talked about his snakes." Yeah, lies like that.
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by vanerka on November 18, 2006
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I agree with Karl in that a venomous version of a hunters saftey course should be created. Its a great idea and they should have a nationally recognized policy for the keeping of venomous snakes. Then as was earlier stated by Wally they shouldn't come down harder on legal owners, because they are not the problem. The illegal owners are, and a much more harsh of a punishment as mentioned should be a Class B Felony instead of a class a misdeminor. Then they would also have to show law changes making the public aware of these changes, and that they will be enforced. I bet alot more people would think twice before making an illegal purchase. Unfortunatly however, Andrew is right in saying thet the legislature and the rest of the govt. could give a sh*t less about anything the herpetological communiuty would have to say because PETA has already taken care of them. And as for Michael, what are you talking about, you said in the post right before mine " I didn't read much of the posts. Just a few silly things stick out." If you didnt read the whole thing then why are you commenting on them. Just because you glanced at the postings doesnt mean you get the whole idea. We are concerned for your well being and the only way you respond is with anger and sarcasm, claiming everything is a "witch hunt" and you wont give anyone a streight answer. Then you wonder why people refuse to take you seriously anymore. All Im saying is lighten up and give people a streight answer. Were you bitten or not? It also bugs me that this has happened right near election time and there are plenty of congressmen and women that would see no reason against a ban of repitiles in general and god knows that when the offices are changed and new lawmakers are put into place they are going to want to make waves off the bat on whatever is in the headlines when they take office. And guess whats in the headlines right now.... You guessed it the reptile ,particularly venomous, keeping community. Just tread carefully, the last thing we (the herpetological community) needs is a bunch of bad press. God knows we get enough of it as it is.
Thanks Eric
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by Venomline on November 18, 2006
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Michael, again your a pathetic liar. It was you
http://www.repticzone.com/forums/VenomousSnakes/messages/1062734.html
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by AquaHerp on November 19, 2006
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My inside understanding is that it will be investigated fully and then prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, no question. There is no consideration whatsoever for altering the laws in Indiana based upon this incident. It has no bearing on those that keep their animals legally.
Doug Hotle
General Curator
Abilene ZOOlogical Society
Abilene, Texas
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by Atrox788 on November 20, 2006
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I personaly am all for a National permit system. Reasoning being, if you are in your LEGAL right to keep then anyone who is not and gets busted gets to deal with it. Not the said permit holder because he was legaly up to standard.
It would serve more to ensure those of you (wish I could say us but no more venomous snakes for me ; ;)who have done everything that you should do dont get caught in the flames.
Enforcment would be hard as I saw mentioned, espeicaly on a National scale but having a permit would save the community from the severe backlash that comes along with cases like Rabbit's. It would also be a nice to way to try and get a National AV bank avaible. Or make the FDA process of obtaining exoctic AV easier if one has a permit to keep these animals.
That would cut down on animal abuse, help out those that deserve keeping the animals and help the zoos and other esablishments from not having to deplenish their AV supplies. Reality however means that our opinions dont mean crap but I just think communities would have less of a problem if they new there was a National standard being enforced and that Bob next store with his rattlers is a pro and knows what they are doing. The more the comunity sides with you the better.
Many varibles in such an endevour but one I think that can hold some weight if the proper people are speaking up for it. Personaly, Id feel very confident in those people being a few off of this site.
Anyway, my 2 cents.
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by hoyta on November 20, 2006
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actually, i think i sold this guy some copperheads awhile back.they were a pair of southerns. i feel like a moron, cause i didn't ask about the permitting thing. damn! then again, its the responsibility of the owner
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by MoccasinMan on November 21, 2006
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Actually Adam, the seller carries quite a bit of the burden. Because you are not a resident/citizen of Indiana the state has no recourse against you, but if you were, and sold those snakes to a person w/o a permit you would be exposed to prosecution. It is the sellers responsibility to get copies of license/permit proir to making any transaction. It is the purchasers responsibility to have and maintain the nessesary license/permit for animals in possesion.
Andrew
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by bschott on November 21, 2006
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""Because you are not a resident/citizen of Indiana the state has no recourse against you, but if you were, and sold those snakes to a person w/o a permit you would be exposed to prosecution.""
Actually, that is not 100% true. If you sell something to someone in another state, that state does have recourse against you.
For example lets say a man named Doug sells wolves and hybrids. He has a permit in his state to do so and follows all the laws in his state regarding raising and housing his wolves. Lets say that Bob wants to buy a wolf. He finds out about Doug and they talk over e-mail or the phone. Bob tells Doug that he can handle a wolf and has the proper setup for one. Doug sells Bob the wolf and ships it off.
Weeks later Doug hears about a story where a man had been illegally keeping a wolf, and that wolf had attacked one of the man's children. The state's attorny in Bob's state files charges against doug for selling a dangerous animal to a state resident. Gross Criminal Negligence. Reckless Endangerment. They put a warrent out for Doug's arrest.
Doug laughs and tells them that they have no recourse against him as he doesn't live in that state. Later that week Doug is pulled over for some minor traffic infraction and the officer pulls up the warrant. Doug stops laughing when he is extridited to Bob's state to stand trial.
Now replace that with a Hot snake. Just because someone lives in a different state doesn't mean they can sell whatever they want to whom ever they want. You still have to obey the laws of other states when selling items over the state lines.
Ever wonder why Florida residents are often left out of some contests? The state law says that any contest held in that state must not require that someone purchase a product or service to be qualified to enter that contest. Most companies do not have headquarters in FL, but they still obey that law because otherwise that state can charge them for breaking the laws of that state.
North Dakota is drafting a bill in the House that would allow procecutors in the state to file charges against anyone that sells venomous snakes to a resident of North Dakota. They are looked at a class A or B misdomeanor.
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